[Curtman]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

I personally couldn't give a shit if it's legal or not. What I'm sick of hearing is that by legalizing it, every social ill in Canada will be eradicated and we'll all get to live in a land of plenty with unicorns and rainbows and and kiss my shiney metal ass.


What a crock of shit. Legalizing it won't change the fact that it'll still be a drug with negative ramifications just like alcohol, despite what the potheads claim.

Well I have no idea who is feeding those lies to you. Myself I'm sick of hearing people say that unless we solve every social ill in Canada, there's no point in doing anything.

[Gunnair]

Curtman Curtman:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

I personally couldn't give a shit if it's legal or not. What I'm sick of hearing is that by legalizing it, every social ill in Canada will be eradicated and we'll all get to live in a land of plenty with unicorns and rainbows and and kiss my shiney metal ass.


What a crock of shit. Legalizing it won't change the fact that it'll still be a drug with negative ramifications just like alcohol, despite what the potheads claim.

Well I have no idea who is feeding those lies to you. Myself I'm sick of hearing people say that unless we solve every social ill in Canada, there's no point in doing anything.

I don't think anyone said that.

What you consistently say is that until the ill is solved, let's contribute to it.

[Curtman]

Gunnair Gunnair:

What you consistently say is that until the ill is solved, let's contribute to it.

I said nothing of the kind. I said prohibition is costly, ineffective, and harmful. It promotes gangsterism, and does nothing for addicts. And here we are discussing the body count of the latest gang war after the prohibitionists locked up a large amount of the gangster leadership. What was accomplished besides spending a pile of money?

[Freakinoldguy]

Curtman Curtman:

Gunnair Gunnair:

What you consistently say is that until the ill is solved, let's contribute to it.

I said nothing of the kind. I said prohibition is costly, ineffective, and harmful. It promotes gangsterism, and does nothing for addicts. And here we are discussing the body count of the latest gang war after the prohibitionists locked up a large amount of the gangster leadership. What was accomplished besides spending a pile of money?

I agree. Prohibition is costly and somewhat innective, but what's even more costly and even less effective is this country's lack of intestinal fortitude when dealing with the low life scum who hook our kids on drugs, rob our seniors and laugh in the face of our ineffecutal justice system.

Maybe if we had drug and crime policies like Thailand and enforced them we'd have alot less wannabe gangsters roaming our streets.

[Gunnair]

Curtman Curtman:

Gunnair Gunnair:

What you consistently say is that until the ill is solved, let's contribute to it.

I said nothing of the kind. I said prohibition is costly, ineffective, and harmful. It promotes gangsterism, and does nothing for addicts. And here we are discussing the body count of the latest gang war after the prohibitionists locked up a large amount of the gangster leadership. What was accomplished besides spending a pile of money?

At this time prohibition is the law of the land. Buying drugs until it is repealed means you are contributing to the problem.

Tell me if this is getting to complicated for you... yet again.

[Curtman]

Gunnair Gunnair:

At this time prohibition is the law of the land. Buying drugs until it is repealed means you are contributing to the problem.

Tell me if this is getting to complicated for you... yet again.

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

It's very complicated. I don't buy it, so I dont know why you keep bringing it up to me.

[Gunnair]

Curtman Curtman:

Gunnair Gunnair:

At this time prohibition is the law of the land. Buying drugs until it is repealed means you are contributing to the problem.

Tell me if this is getting to complicated for you... yet again.

It's very complicated. I don't buy it, so I dont know why you keep bringing it up to me.

It's actually not complicated at all. Don't buy drugs from gangs and you don't support gangs.

I do bring it up in the hope that at some poiint this very simple concept will get through to you.

[Curtman]

Gunnair Gunnair:

It's actually not complicated at all. Don't buy drugs from gangs and you don't support gangs.

I do bring it up in the hope that at some poiint this very simple concept will get through to you.

Don't buy drugs from gangs, and you won't be supporting them either. Can we move on now? Nobody disagrees with you that I've heard from.

[Gunnair]

Curtman Curtman:

Gunnair Gunnair:

It's actually not complicated at all. Don't buy drugs from gangs and you don't support gangs.

I do bring it up in the hope that at some poiint this very simple concept will get through to you.

Don't buy drugs from gangs, and you won't be supporting them either. Can we move on now? Nobody disagrees with you that I've heard from.

I don't buy drugs from gangs. I don't partake. When they're legal, you can buy them from a store. Until then, don't buy them from gangs.

What's your priority here, stopping gang activity or legalizing drugs?

If it's both, you can achieve the first instantly by not buying dugs. You can achieve the second one in time.

If you are unwilling to achieve the first, then your very selfish motivation becomes or so telling.

[Curtman]

Gunnair Gunnair:

I don't buy drugs from gangs.

Good. Neither of us buys drugs from gangs.

I don't think it's going to cause them any stress unless you can convince the millions of customers they have as well.

[andyt]

http://www.canadaka.net/forums/jibber-jabber-f9/regulate-pot-market-as-public-health-issue-cop-t98216.html

andyt andyt:

$1:

It's not easy being a cop who is vocally opposed to the criminalization of marijuana.

Victoria Const. David Bratzer is required to arrest people for growing and selling pot during his day job, and then, once off duty, speaks out about the damaging effects of keeping Canada's massive marijuana trade illegal.

"When you are a police officer you are sworn to uphold the law and when you are on duty you have to enforce the law. You can't pick and choose. When I am on duty I do arrest people for drug offences, but when I am off duty I do advocate for change."

Bratzer felt he had to take a stand - outside of work hours. "Lots of officers speak up about it after they retire, but it was really important for me to call for a change to this failed policy. I didn't want to work for 25 or 30 years and then wish I had spoken up," said the community policing officer.

Bratzer is a member of a new coalition called Stop the Violence B.C., a gathering of doctors, police officers and academics who want the pot market regulated as a public-health issue.

The group released the results of a poll Thursday showing that 87 per cent of B.C. residents surveyed believe that gang violence is linked to organized criminals' efforts to control the illegal marijuana trade.

The poll found only 12 per cent of citizens polled in the Angus Reid survey supported keeping existing pot laws in place.

Another 69 per cent said that arresting marijuana sellers and growers was ineffective and believed B.C. would be better off taxing and regulating use of the drug.

And just 39 per cent were in favour of mandatory minimum prison sentences for marijuana-related crime, including possession of six or more plants.

"In B.C., organized crime is reaping billions from the illegal marijuana industry and increasingly consolidating its hold through violence," said coalition member, retired RCMP chief supt. Vince Cain.

"Stiffer sanctions will not reverse these trends, but legally regulating marijuana in B.C. would eliminate a primary source of re venue for these criminal groups, reduce gang violence and generate tax income."

Coalition member Dr. Evan Wood, co- director of the Urban Health Research Initiative at the B.C. Centre for Excellence in HIV/ AIDS, also weighed into the debate.

"We must discuss alternatives to today's failed laws with a focus on how to decrease violence, remove the illicit industry's profit motive and improve public health and safety," he said.

To learn more visit stoptheviolencebc.org or follow @stvbc on Twitter.

eoconnor@theprovince.com

Read more: http://www.theprovince.com/news/Regulat ... z1cD4VSek9

But what do those cops know?

[Zipperfish]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

I agree. Prohibition is costly and somewhat innective, but what's even more costly and even less effective is this country's lack of intestinal fortitude when dealing with the low life scum who hook our kids on drugs, rob our seniors and laugh in the face of our ineffecutal justice system.

Maybe if we had drug and crime policies like Thailand and enforced them we'd have alot less wannabe gangsters roaming our streets.

You can't get kids hooked on pot. It's not addictive. Now your nick indicates that you are "freakin old." Given that you are old and still have not deduced that marijunana is not an addictive substance, then I unfortuantely must conclude that you are just really stupid. Maybe you should stick to the Kim Kardashian threads.

As for the Thailand bit--I guess you support a country where they shoot pot smokers but it's perfectly OK to fuck some kid up the ass for a few bucks. More you thing is it?

[Freakinoldguy]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

I agree. Prohibition is costly and somewhat innective, but what's even more costly and even less effective is this country's lack of intestinal fortitude when dealing with the low life scum who hook our kids on drugs, rob our seniors and laugh in the face of our ineffecutal justice system.

Maybe if we had drug and crime policies like Thailand and enforced them we'd have alot less wannabe gangsters roaming our streets.

You can't get kids hooked on pot. It's not addictive. Now your nick indicates that you are "freakin old." Given that you are old and still have not deduced that marijunana is not an addictive substance, then I unfortuantely must conclude that you are just really stupid. Maybe you should stick to the Kim Kardashian threads.

As for the Thailand bit--I guess you support a country where they shoot pot smokers but it's perfectly OK to fuck some kid up the ass for a few bucks. More you thing is it?

WTF does my age have to do with it?

I dare you to find the post where I claimed marijuana was addictive? The only thing in this thread that seems to be addictive is personal stupidity, but in fairness I'll chalk that up to your pain medication..............of choice.

After your rant it's quite apparent you're part of the problem, not part of the solution and had you read my previous posts on the subject before trying to insult my age and use other posts to discredit my opinion you'd have noticed that I could care less if you smoke dope legally, illegally, at home, or at work, with friends or alone, actually, it amounts to pretty much anywhere and for any reason.

What I have is a problem with the continuing unproven theory that all gang activity would dissapear if we legalized marijuana and yes I did use the Thailand analogy because I, like alot of people are tired of the bullshit drugs and gangs are bringing into our communities and they still have a much harsher judicial system than the mollycoddling group of social engineers running ours.

If you want to equate my use of the Thai judicial system to homosexual proclivity and misuse of capital punishment then I'd suggest you might want to revisit your sexual orientation or maybe better yet google stereotyping cause you've obviously watched to many Anne Heche movies. And for posterities sake, they don't shoot pot smokers anymore, haven't for years, although I'm beginning to think that in some cases their change in policy may have been a mistake.

[QBC]

Oh, people can blame drugs, gangs, prostitution and the like for all the killings in Winnipeg. We all know why it's worse there than the rest of Canada.......

Winterpeg in July.......

[Zipperfish]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

WTF does my age have to do with it?

I dare you to find the post where I claimed marijuana was addictive? The only thing in this thread that seems to be addictive is personal stupidity, but in fairness I'll chalk that up to your pain medication..............of choice.

After your rant it's quite apparent you're part of the problem, not part of the solution and had you read my previous posts on the subject before trying to insult my age and use other posts to discredit my opinion you'd have noticed that I could care less if you smoke dope legally, illegally, at home, or at work, with friends or alone, actually, it amounts to pretty much anywhere and for any reason.

What I have is a problem with the continuing unproven theory that all gang activity would dissapear if we legalized marijuana and yes I did use the Thailand analogy because I, like alot of people are tired of the bullshit drugs and gangs are bringing into our communities and they still have a much harsher judicial system than the mollycoddling group of social engineers running ours.

If you want to equate my use of the Thai judicial system to homosexual proclivity and misuse of capital punishment then I'd suggest you might want to revisit your sexual orientation or maybe better yet google stereotyping cause you've obviously watched to many Anne Heche movies. And for posterities sake, they don't shoot pot smokers anymore, haven't for years, although I'm beginning to think that in some cases their change in policy may have been a mistake.

Anybody who prefers the Thailand's criminal system to Canada's needs their head examined, that was my point. Sure they crack down on drugs, but child exploitation is rampant.