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Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

Our CF-18 fighers have already conducted exercised in northern communities. I believe they've been to Churchill and Resolute. Elsewhere on this board I said we need a permanent squad or wing of CF-18s based at Resolute. Do you know how far a CF-18 can fly?

not very far, even with external tanks the range isn't more than 2000 miles. A base in resolute would be perfectly suited for patrolling the arctic. Most the area is covered, and the aircraft can fly to Iqaluit or Alert for fuel if they need to go further.

Covered with ground blizzards you mean? Some of the worst weather in the arctic is around resolute bay.

[Brenda]

WBenson WBenson:

Brenda Brenda:

Britain, as in the crown of Canada

Britain has nothing (under the law) to do with Canadian crown, and certainly can't intervene in place of the Canadian government in sovereignty disputes. It was minimalized in 1931 and eliminated in 1982. They are separate now.

I know, I thought maybe it was Bacardi's reasoning

Obviously that ( the reasoning ) was just a bad map

[Canadian_Mind]

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Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

Our CF-18 fighers have already conducted exercised in northern communities. I believe they've been to Churchill and Resolute. Elsewhere on this board I said we need a permanent squad or wing of CF-18s based at Resolute. Do you know how far a CF-18 can fly?

not very far, even with external tanks the range isn't more than 2000 miles. A base in resolute would be perfectly suited for patrolling the arctic. Most the area is covered, and the aircraft can fly to Iqaluit or Alert for fuel if they need to go further.

Covered with ground blizzards you mean? Some of the worst weather in the arctic is around resolute bay.

they're supposed to be all weather tactical fighters.

Makes me wish we had the Arrows.

Either way, its the most central location, thus of greatest strategic importance... unless of course we posted a squadron in Yellowknife, Alert, and Iqaluit, but that would require more aircraft, which frankly we don't have.

[Arctic_Menace]

Long ago, there were plans for a full time, proper airbase that would be built at Nanisivik.

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Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:

Long ago, there were plans for a full time, proper airbase that would be built at Nanisivik.

It was,now I think it's scheduled for repulse bay.

[bootlegga]

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

Our CF-18 fighers have already conducted exercised in northern communities. I believe they've been to Churchill and Resolute. Elsewhere on this board I said we need a permanent squad or wing of CF-18s based at Resolute. Do you know how far a CF-18 can fly?

not very far, even with external tanks the range isn't more than 2000 miles. A base in resolute would be perfectly suited for patrolling the arctic. Most the area is covered, and the aircraft can fly to Iqaluit or Alert for fuel if they need to go further.

There's no need for them to fly to Yellowknife or anywhere else. That's why we have air-to-air tanker planes. But I do agree with both of you that planes should be based in the North. Too bad that will never happen because we have too few planes and as part of the major re-organization in 90s, they are based at two super bases, instead of spread out at a 4 or 5 like during the Cold War.

[romanP]

Brenda Brenda:

Isn't Hans Island the little Island just off the coast of Greenland, and aren't Canada and Denmark (to which Greenland belongs) fighting over that little piece of rock?

What do GB or the US have to do with any of this???

I have the solution for Hans Island though... Just do the same as Greece and Turkey did with Cyprus... Just give every country half of it, and live happily ever after

My solution for Hans Island is to build a hockey rink on it and have a game of Canada vs. Denmark on it every year. Whoever wins that year gets the territory.

[Brenda]

romanP romanP:

Brenda Brenda:

Isn't Hans Island the little Island just off the coast of Greenland, and aren't Canada and Denmark (to which Greenland belongs) fighting over that little piece of rock?

What do GB or the US have to do with any of this???

I have the solution for Hans Island though... Just do the same as Greece and Turkey did with Cyprus... Just give every country half of it, and live happily ever after

My solution for Hans Island is to build a hockey rink on it and have a game of Canada vs. Denmark on it every year. Whoever wins that year gets the territory.

[Winnipegger]

I read that we have 24 CF-18A aircraft at Cold Lake Alberta, another 24 CF-18A aircraft at Bagotville Quebec, and 33 CF-18A aircraft in storage. The 'A' version is single seat, used for combat; 'B' is two seat, used for training. We have 40 CF-18B aircraft but I don't know how many are operational. So why not take some CF-18A aircraft out of storage and base them at Resolute?

[Istanbul]

Hans Island has been renamed.

The oil and gas deposits claimed

It is now "Hans off" Isle

There is now no possible denial

It's the Turk's not the Dane's.

[Winnipegger]

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

Makes me wish we had the Arrows.

Every Canadian wishes we hadn't cancelled the Arrow. However, look at some modern specs. Compare the Arrow Mark 2 to a modern Rafale, Typhoon, F-22 Raptor, and F-35A Lightning 2. The Arrow Mark 2 could out fly a CF-18 but these new jets are better. The American ones don't perform as well as the European ones, but they have better stealth. Besides, the European ones look like a modern version of the Arrow. (hint hint hint)

[Bacardi4206]

Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:

No offense dude, but a map is a map. Yes, each have their various distortions and whatnot, but all maps(or at least semi-decent ones) always have the Arctic Circle line, the Equator, the tropics of Capricorn and Cancer, and the Antarctic circle.

No offense to you, but that is wrong. A map is not a map, When you are looking from the typical standerd view of a map. It all looks completly different. From a standerd view, Canada, US and Britain are the closest to the artic from what you can see.

But looking at the map given above, where the view is different and is above the artic. You can clearly see whos closer, ALOT better. Anyways, now if you are done Artic_Menance talking about my comments. I'd like to move on to the actual topic conversation.

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Winnipegger Winnipegger:

I read that we have 24 CF-18A aircraft at Cold Lake Alberta, another 24 CF-18A aircraft at Bagotville Quebec, and 33 CF-18A aircraft in storage. The 'A' version is single seat, used for combat; 'B' is two seat, used for training. We have 40 CF-18B aircraft but I don't know how many are operational. So why not take some CF-18A aircraft out of storage and base them at Resolute?

Lets just use single and twin otters,way cheaper,they can carry their own extra fuel,can land allmost anywhere,fly in allmost any condition,and would probably have more uptime then any fancy new age fighter jet.Electronics really take a shit kicking up here.Less is better.

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Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:

No offense dude, but a map is a map. Yes, each have their various distortions and whatnot, but all maps(or at least semi-decent ones) always have the Arctic Circle line, the Equator, the tropics of Capricorn and Cancer, and the Antarctic circle.

No offense to you, but that is wrong. A map is not a map, When you are looking from the typical standerd view of a map. It all looks completly different. From a standerd view, Canada, US and Britain are the closest to the artic from what you can see.

But looking at the map given above, where the view is different and is above the artic. You can clearly see whos closer, ALOT better. Anyways, now if you are done Artic_Menance talking about my comments. I'd like to move on to the actual topic conversation.

OK,the rangers are guarding our back door.Remember them?The Canadian governments solution to soveriegnity in our north,the people who inhabitate this place that everyone wants to protect all of a sudden?

[fifeboy]

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Winnipegger Winnipegger:

I read that we have 24 CF-18A aircraft at Cold Lake Alberta, another 24 CF-18A aircraft at Bagotville Quebec, and 33 CF-18A aircraft in storage. The 'A' version is single seat, used for combat; 'B' is two seat, used for training. We have 40 CF-18B aircraft but I don't know how many are operational. So why not take some CF-18A aircraft out of storage and base them at Resolute?

Lets just use single and twin otters,way cheaper,they can carry their own extra fuel,can land allmost anywhere,fly in allmost any condition,and would probably have more uptime then any fancy new age fighter jet.Electronics really take a shit kicking up here.Less is better.

Now that is a good idea!