[ShepherdsDog]

Yogi Yogi:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Unlike MacDonalds we don't marry kin.

But 'our way' we know what were gittin. No point 'going out for a hamburger when we got steak at home'!

hheh...don't you mean mutton.

[KorbenDeck]

Proculation Proculation:

I'm with KorbenDeck. Specially with the East vs. West argument. While we are going instinct by not reproducing, we HAVE to import races like Arabs and Chineses to keep the country afloat. What will do when they will be more than us ? It won't happen in 50 years. It's happening right now.

It's not about race, its about ideology. From a scientific point of view racial diversity is good for the gene pool. However history and current events show that some religions/ideologues simply cannot get along with others.

[BartSimpson]

On the counterpoint of the ideal career woman are those women who do consciously decide to be stay-at-home moms and housewives and who get treated as less than by the people who think a woman has to have a career. A younger friend of mine dropped out of a fabulous career at age 26 to be a wife and to have kids and she is now on child #3 as she approaches age 30. One of the costs of her choice was losing almost all of the 'friends' she used to have.

See, she is not free to be a mom and a wife because the 'friends' see that as a condemnation of their choice not to do these things.

It's an observation that where motherhood used to be something to aspire to now it is something to be disdained.

[Brenda]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

On the counterpoint of the ideal career woman are those women who do consciously decide to be stay-at-home moms and housewives and who get treated as less than by the people who think a woman has to have a career. A younger friend of mine dropped out of a fabulous career at age 26 to be a wife and to have kids and she is now on child #3 as she approaches age 30. One of the costs of her choice was losing almost all of the 'friends' she used to have.

See, she is not free to be a mom and a wife because the 'friends' see that as a condemnation of their choice not to do these things.

It's an observation that where motherhood used to be something to aspire to now it is something to be disdained.

And that is SO true.
"You don't work?? Get a fucking job, you lazy bitch". You gotta love it.

[Proculation]

KorbenDeck KorbenDeck:

Proculation Proculation:

I'm with KorbenDeck. Specially with the East vs. West argument. While we are going instinct by not reproducing, we HAVE to import races like Arabs and Chineses to keep the country afloat. What will do when they will be more than us ? It won't happen in 50 years. It's happening right now.

It's not about race, its about ideology. From a scientific point of view racial diversity is good for the gene pool. However history and current events show that some religions/ideologues simply cannot get along with others.

That was my point too. The different ideologies.

[BartSimpson]

Brenda Brenda:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

On the counterpoint of the ideal career woman are those women who do consciously decide to be stay-at-home moms and housewives and who get treated as less than by the people who think a woman has to have a career. A younger friend of mine dropped out of a fabulous career at age 26 to be a wife and to have kids and she is now on child #3 as she approaches age 30. One of the costs of her choice was losing almost all of the 'friends' she used to have.

See, she is not free to be a mom and a wife because the 'friends' see that as a condemnation of their choice not to do these things.

It's an observation that where motherhood used to be something to aspire to now it is something to be disdained.

And that is SO true.
"You don't work?? Get a ***** job, you lazy *****". You gotta love it.

I also think a little of it is resentment at the fact that these women have married men who make enough money to support a wife and family without the wife needing to work, too.

[Proculation]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Brenda Brenda:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

On the counterpoint of the ideal career woman are those women who do consciously decide to be stay-at-home moms and housewives and who get treated as less than by the people who think a woman has to have a career. A younger friend of mine dropped out of a fabulous career at age 26 to be a wife and to have kids and she is now on child #3 as she approaches age 30. One of the costs of her choice was losing almost all of the 'friends' she used to have.

See, she is not free to be a mom and a wife because the 'friends' see that as a condemnation of their choice not to do these things.

It's an observation that where motherhood used to be something to aspire to now it is something to be disdained.

And that is SO true.
"You don't work?? Get a ***** job, you lazy *****". You gotta love it.

I also think a little of it is resentment at the fact that these women have married men who make enough money to support a wife and family without the wife needing to work, too.

Good point. Why don't feminists see it that way ? The husbands are suffering at work while the wives are at home, chatting together.

[Brenda]

$1:

Good point. Why don't feminists see it that way ? The husbands are suffering at work while the wives are at home, chatting together.

While doing the laundry, ironing, dishes, floors, windows, beds, paint walls, mow lawns, clean out basements, change dirty diapers, do groceries with 2 toddlers and serve on the oh so tired husbands who have sat on their butts all day looking at paperwork and chatting with their co-workers

[BartSimpson]

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

Good point. Why don't feminists see it that way ? The husbands are suffering at work while the wives are at home, chatting together.

While doing the laundry, ironing, dishes, floors, windows, beds, paint walls, mow lawns, clean out basements, change dirty diapers, do groceries with 2 toddlers and serve on the oh so tired husbands who have sat on their butts all day looking at paperwork and chatting with their co-workers

As of this year Mrs. Bart works one day a week and is contemplating cutting that down to zero. With all of our debts paid off we just don't need her income anymore.

But then we have no kids so while she does keep after the domestic work she also has a lot of time to invest in her gardening, running, and doing volunteer work for a city council candidate.

[bootlegga]

Brenda Brenda:

Thats not my question. My question is: Why should every woman HAVE TO use the uterus she has? Why can't it stay unused, so she can do other things with her life than just have children and sacrifice at least a part of herself?

No doubt. How about telling the guy to pull out, or using a condom, or just not having sex? I'm not a puritan by any stretch of the imagination, but the obvious solution to not getting pregnant is to not have sex.

If you want a career, work hard and wait until your 35 to get married and start a family.

I find it hard to believe that women in the 60s went to their bosses and said, "Hey, I'm on the pill, so you don't have to worry about losing me for a year due to pregnancy, so please promote me!" Yet that is exactly what this article implies.

[bootlegga]

KorbenDeck KorbenDeck:

I have 3 reasons why I believe almost everyone should have children (at lest in Canada).

1) Humans like any other biological entity on this planet basically have one sole purpose, that is to reproduce. We are born, we have children we die, life goes on. If you do not have children, life doesn't go on.

Actually, once you are dead, life doesn't go on.

You might be remembered, but life doesn't go on, unless you're a zombie or maybe Jesus.

KorbenDeck KorbenDeck:

2) Socialism: The life expectancy in Canada is 81 years, we have an aging population that wants to be supported by the younger generations. If you want the younger generations to support you, you need to make sure you created a younger generation to begin with. I am part of that younger generation, and I know that when all the baby boomers start to retire my taxes are going to go threw the roof, you think its bad now, just wait 15 years. Like it or not 95% of the time once you retire you become a drain on resources in Canada.

Actually, due to infant mortality and children dying in accidents, you need to have 2.1 children to keep the population stable. 2 children per family still works out to a shrinking population.

KorbenDeck KorbenDeck:

3) East vs West: Plainly put Western Society is going extinct, it all comes down to demographics, we have an aging population where as Islamic Society has an exploding population. In our desperation to get our population to increase Canada brings in huge amounts people who do not share our ideals, and with the internet (this forum is an example) those people will never assimilate. So my biggest fear is that in 50 years there will be no Western Society at all.

Well, given that less than 20% of all immigrants to Canada come from Muslim countries, it'll be a long, long time before they can ever replace the rest of us demographically. We accept far more Asians (Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, and Indians) each year than we do Muslims, and over the past 100 years most of their descendants have fully assimilated. Even when it comes to Muslims, a fair amount of 2nd gen Muslims do assimilate, so even in their case, I'm not too worried.

This demographic shift everyone seems to be worried about is much do about nothing. I'm far more worried about paying taxes to keep all those boomers alive (heart operations are damned expensive).

[Proculation]

Yeah, we saw how good it worked with muslim descent in Europe...

[Proculation]

Maybe you have less problems in other big Canadian cities but in Montreal, we get a lot of muslims because they come from french speaking countries like Morocco, Algeria, Lebanon, Tunisia. We also get a lot of Haitians. So while you get the hardworking workers, we get bandits and muslims.

[BartSimpson]

Proculation Proculation:

Maybe you have less problems in other big Canadian cities but in Montreal, we get a lot of muslims because they come from french speaking countries like Morocco, Algeria, Lebanon, Tunisia. We also get a lot of Haitians. So while you get the hardworking workers, we get bandits and muslims.

$1:

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2. Needlessly wordy or repetitive in expression: a student paper filled with redundant phrases.
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[Brenda]

Moroccans are the worst...