[llama66]

Its what is going to have to be done.

[fifeboy]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

All of these Proggie projects involved public funds. Just about every feature of human activity starts with identifying an objective first and then overcoming the obstacles as you encounter them.

Fixed for doguracy

[fifeboy]

llama66 llama66:

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all there is for choice is drive, or take the bus.

With Greyhound pulling out of Western Canada we don't even have Bus (in/to many places) anymore. Maybe cross country rail needs to be reexamined.

Yea, but Thanks Brad Wall for the tax break....when or if it comes

[llama66]

?! Tax break !? I live in the Democratic People"s Republic of Albertistan

[peck420]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

As to the rest of it are you familiar with the idea of 'adaptation over mitigation' as solution?

Yes, but I doubt you realized what this just did to your stance.

Adaptation backed by dems = bad.

Adaptation as presented by you = good.

Adaptaion is adaptation, and that is what things like HSR are....adaptations to our lifestyles.

Not that it matters, but forced adaptation always increases energy consumption, and consensual adaptation reduces it. Keep that in mind, as, at the end of the day, as long as we consume more energy than we have access too, we die.

[PluggyRug]

peck420 peck420:

Keep that in mind, as, at the end of the day, as long as we consume more energy than we have access too, we die.

Just a small thingy, energy isn't consumed, it just changes state, but I see you point.

[BartSimpson]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

FFS The Nazis didn’t invent social security and if they had, it doesn’t mean any country with social security is a Nazi.

She's right that this was created in Germany and you're right that it was not done by the fascists but by the Bismarck administration.

The German pension system is the oldest continually operating pension system in the world. It even managed to operate during and after both World Wars.

[bootlegga]

peck420 peck420:

Screwing the pooch?

Interesting.

Calfornia's HSR is currently tracking better than Edmonton's LRT expansion, in terms of original plan to current date and achieving milestones self set by said plans.

I guess we have different definitions of 'tracking better' than.

HSR was initially passed in the legislature in 1996 and still doesn't have a single track mile completed! That's 22 years and change...even if you choose the Nov. 2008 date when funding was approved by the state, it's still 10+ years without a single track mile in operation.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/ar ... 621347.php

Because of all the bungling, construction in California didn't start until 2015, and almost four years later, there's still nothing in operation and won't be until maybe 2027. That's twelve years after construction started!


Meanwhile Edmonton's LRT, slow as it is to grow, will add 11 stations and 13 KMs of track on the Valley Line in late 2020/early 2021, about four and one half years after it started.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmonton_ ... il_Transit


Of recent, Edmonton may be able to screw up major infrastructure projects, but in this instance, we're rookies compared to California HSR, even if you tack on a year or two to the end date of the Valley Line. Even the brutal Metro line extension failures pale when compared to California's HSR.

To top it off, Newsom has thrown most of the project into question with his remarks last month:

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Newsom says that he will now focus on the Central Valley portion of rail, a 165-mile stretch between Merced and Bakersfield, that’s already under construction. His remarks leave the rest of the project in doubt, though he says he still wants to complete it.

So HSR won't even connect San Fran and LA when it possibly opens in 2027, will cost far more than budgeted and take much longer than expected...yeah, HSR in California is pretty much a disaster.

That last sentence makes me , even though I don't live in California.

[BartSimpson]

Here in a nutshell is why CHSR failed.

The I-5 (original French route) is in red. It ran on mostly empty, mostly flat, state-owned land.

The route they're using runs through populated areas (with the intent to stop at each of eleven to seventeen stations with no express trains), the land requires a lot of costly bridges and viaducts to cross, and almost all of the land is privately owned and has to be bought at great expense, and the route is some 100+ miles longer than the direct route.

[N_Fiddledog]

peck420 peck420:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

As to the rest of it are you familiar with the idea of 'adaptation over mitigation' as solution?

Yes, but I doubt you realized what this just did to your stance.

Adaptation backed by dems = bad.

Adaptation as presented by you = good.

Adaptaion is adaptation, and that is what things like HSR are....adaptations to our lifestyles.

Not that it matters, but forced adaptation always increases energy consumption, and consensual adaptation reduces it. Keep that in mind, as, at the end of the day, as long as we consume more energy than we have access too, we die.

No. I don't think we're talking about the same thing.

What I'm talking about is a specific debate that applies specifically to the best way to react to problems the climate might bring us. It's a debate within the climate arena specifically. Bjorn Lomborg is the best known champion of it and he believes in dangers of an anthropogenically caused change in the climate.

Mitigators believe they can control the climate. They've already committed trillions of dollars to the belief and they haven't moved the global thermometer a hundredth of a degree.

Adapters like Lomborg think there might be better societal use for those trillions but if, for example, the sea level does start to rise more than the 7 inches a hundred years it is currently rising at maybe we can build some better sea walls.

[BartSimpson]

Sea level rose ~120 meters after the last ice age started to wane and guess what? People moved to higher ground.

The world continued on and here we are thinking that an inch or so in a century is some sort of apocalypse.

[Tricks]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Sea level rose ~120 meters after the last ice age started to wane and guess what? People moved to higher ground.

The world continued on and here we are thinking that an inch or so in a century is some sort of apocalypse.

The last ice age ended 10000+ years ago, when we had .04% the population we do now. Different situation.

[fifeboy]

llama66 llama66:

?! Tax break !? I live in the Democratic People"s Republic of Albertistan

Brad wall thought all he needed to do to to improve Saskatchewan economy was cut taxes. To make up the shortfall he slashed programs, including Sask transportation, saying Greyhound would step in (or other Sask Party supporters.) Instead, Greyhound stepped out.

[Douwe]

Tricks Tricks:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Sea level rose ~120 meters after the last ice age started to wane and guess what? People moved to higher ground.

The world continued on and here we are thinking that an inch or so in a century is some sort of apocalypse.

The last ice age ended 10000+ years ago, when we had .04% the population we do now. Different situation.

Excellent point.

[Douwe]

llama66 llama66:

How would rail travel overtake and make obsolete Air Travel. It is impossible to build rail over the Atlantic Ocean. Even if you routed the rail through Newfoundland to Greenland and then to Iceland connecting with the European continental raillines in Scotland, the distance between Greenland/Iceland/Scotland is many hundreds of miles and water is kilometers deep. With our current grasp of engineering this is an impossible task.

Pacific is easy enough.... just put a bridge over one of the roughest stretches of water on earth. Cross at the Bearing Straits.

We'd need to learn how to build cofferdams that can be 10 kms high, pour and set concrete in pillars 10 kms high, lay track in a super humid environment, learn how to keep ice from building up, etc, etc....

That's for going over the water, going under the water... Jesus, that's that another set of feats all-together.

It's not feasible.

Not with current technology. However, the hyperlink would make intercontintal travel possible.