[herbie]

What has someone else's vacation got to do with your income tax?
Do you think anyone's going to seriously endorse a tax funded Club Med vacation?
We just want you to break the 'work harder longer for less' bullshit cycle being shoved down your throat, and this is a good opportunity.
Why do you think the trade deals are ALL with 'work yourself to death or we'll kill you' countries? To reinforce the beancounter's productivity program. Ooh be scared of those shiftless Europeans. Feel guilty the socialist Canucks get three weeks after only two years and Boxing Day's a stat...

[BartSimpson]

Brenda Brenda:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

But if health care is a right then how is that right exercised without infringing on someone else? The store owner, for instance, can close on Sunday if he wants and no one cares. But what if you need care and the only doctor around doesn't want to work? Can she be compelled towork tofulfill your right to care?

Can she let you die because she doesnt want to care? The Hippocratic oath is beyond law.
People who work in healthcare now work shifts already. What is your deal? Is that going to change, only because the financial part of the healthcare system changes?
It has nothing to do with doctors or nurses, but with managers and administration.

You really don't get this, do you?

Health care is NOT a right because you have to have someone else pay for it and provide it.

If the only doctor in town doesn't want to work (for ANY reason) is it your opinion that you can send in the police with guns and arrest her and then FORCE her to work because other people have a right to make her do something she doesn't want to do?

And right there is my point, you can't call it a 'right' if it requires someone else to act in order to fulfill that right.

[Brenda]

I think you totally miss the point. A doctor has NOTHING to do with your right to healthcare. The only thing a doctor has to worry about, is to care. And to make sure that if he/she doesnt want to give that care at a particular point, he/she should have arranged replacement. Even if you dont think you have a right to healthcare, if you choose to pay for it by yourself, you want the service. You should have access to the service you pay for.
Unless of course you would allow the doctor to decide whether you die or not, because he/she is too fucking lazy to get out of bed, or just "didnt think" about having replacement because he/she is on their well deserved break.

You would sue the doctor if he/she lets you die while you pay for the service. So, please, get off of your high horse, and come with another argument.

My argument is pretty simple. If you dont want to live in a society, go buy yourself a deserted island and do your thing there.

[BartSimpson]

Does a doctor have a right to quit their job?

[Brenda]

Yes, of course they do. And the fun part of socialized healthcare is, that anyone who went to that doctor, gets replacement. And you don't even have to look for that yourself, you just get it. As opposed to you, who likes to be rejected by 20 doctors first before they find an asshole, who is the only one who takes new patients.

[Psudo]

UK Times UK Times:

AN overseas holiday used to be thought of as a reward for a year’s hard work. Now Brussels has declared that tourism is a human right and pensioners, youths and those too poor to afford it should have their travel subsidised by the taxpayer.

Under the scheme, British pensioners could be given cut-price trips to Spain, while Greek teenagers could be taken around disused mills in Manchester to experience the cultural diversity of Europe.

Holy. Crap. No.

Freedom of movement is one thing, a necessary requirement of a free society. Getting hard-working people to pay for your trip precisely because you can't afford it for yourself is quite another.

[Public_Domain]

[Psudo]

No one in the article even attempted to claim to support vacation subsidies for health reasons. They argue it'll help cultural diversity and be a boon to tourism during the off-season.

[Public_Domain]

[Psudo]

Is a vacation beneficial to one's health?

What about those hard-working people that can afford their own vacation but cannot leave their responsibilities to try it? If it's a human right to vacation, they're getting screwed twice - once by not being able to go, and again by paying for others' trips.

[KorbenDeck]

herbie herbie:

What has someone else's vacation got to do with your income tax?

The plan is to subsides peoples vacations with taxpayers money. Really herbie read the article

$1:

The European Union has declared travelling a human right, and is launching a scheme to subsidize vacations with taxpayers' dollars for those too poor to afford their own trips.

First paragraph of the article says what someone else's vacation has to do with taxes

[Quantum_Wizard]

The article speaks of "Brussels" declaring tourism as human right. But has that (so far) been declared by anyone other than commissioner Tajani? The article wasn't very clear on this and on how far Tajani's plan has progressed.

[BartSimpson]

Brenda Brenda:

Yes, of course they do.

Good.

Now let's say, for argument's sake, that every last doctor and nurse quits working so they can do something else. Every hospital and clinic closes because there no more doctors or nurses.

With absolutely no health care professionals and no health care facilities available how would someone fulfill this supposed "right" to health care?

[Brenda]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Brenda Brenda:

Yes, of course they do.

Good.

Now let's say, for argument's sake, that every last doctor and nurse quits working so they can do something else. Every hospital and clinic closes because there no more doctors or nurses.

With absolutely no health care professionals and no health care facilities available how would someone fulfill this supposed "right" to health care?

Hire Philipino's

[PublicAnimalNo9]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Brenda Brenda:

Yes, of course they do.

Good.

Now let's say, for argument's sake, that every last doctor and nurse quits working so they can do something else. Every hospital and clinic closes because there no more doctors or nurses.

With absolutely no health care professionals and no health care facilities available how would someone fulfill this supposed "right" to health care?

Hmmmm let's say every last manufacturer of firearms decides to quit making them for public consumption and decides that each individual company's policy dictates that they can only supply to police and military, where are you going to find guns to fulfill your "right" to defend yourself with a gun?