[martin14]

Tricks Tricks:

llama66 llama66:

The Shouldice Hospital is a private facility that was grandfathered in when OHIP was first implemented in the '70's.

My understanding is there is no such thing as a truly private facility anymore. That even "private" ones still do OHIP (in this case) work.

Sure.

Private work is done quickly, just step up and pay.
OHIP, have a seat over there, in the next county. It's a bit of a line.

[N_Fiddledog]

It's also interesting that Paul only needs this surgery because he was attacked by what I'll call a Progressive Democrat neighbor who had offered up what I'll call politically charged disagreements against him in the past. He was suing the guy to pay for the surgery.

And this is the real reason Paul chose to pay Shouldice for the surgery:

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Paul’s lawsuit says that he will undergo an outpatient surgery in Canada later this month at Shouldice Hernia Hospital, which claims to be “the only licensed hospital in the world dedicated to repairing hernias.”

They specialize in Hernias. If they're not getting money for it why would they offer themselves up to private international clients as the experts?

[Robair]

https://www.shouldice.com/faqs/

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Ontario Patients
Ontario’s Hospital Insurance Plan (OHIP) covers all costs to Ontario residents for public ward rate hospital accommodation and physician services.

Semi-private rooms are available at an additional cost. Patients with private insurance may be eligible for reimbursement on submission of paperwork we provide to you on discharge. We do not bill insurance companies directly on your behalf.

All charges are payable on admission by credit card, bank draft or cash.

Non-Ontario Canadian Resident Patients
Provincial health insurance plans cover all costs to Canadian residents for public ward rate hospital accommodation and physician services. Hospital ward charges are billed directly to respective provincial health ministries, with applicable physician services subject to payment by patients on admission. These fees may be submitted to provincial health plans for reimbursement based on paperwork provided to you on discharge. The amount you will be reimbursed will be dependent on your provinces applicable schedule of medical fees.

All qualifying patients will receive an admission letter with a breakdown of fees specific to their surgical procedure and related hospital stay.

Semi-private rooms are available at an additional cost. Patients with private insurance may be eligible for reimbursement on submission of paperwork we provide to you on discharge. We do not bill insurance companies directly on your behalf.

All charges are payable on admission by credit card, bank draft or cash.

US and International Patients
All patients who have submitted their medical questionnaire for assessment and have been qualified for surgery will receive a letter outlining our estimated fees specific to their stated surgical procedure and related hospital stay. Patients with private insurance coverage may be eligible for reimbursement on submission of paperwork provided to you. We do not bill insurance companies on your behalf, however, Shouldice Hospital has no-cost consultants trained to help you with your claim (as foreign insurance coverage is complicated we encourage all patients to pre-approve their coverage prior to admission).

All charges are payable on admission by credit card, bank draft or cash

In case any of you have a hernia that needs attention.

[Tricks]

martin14 martin14:

Tricks Tricks:

llama66 llama66:

The Shouldice Hospital is a private facility that was grandfathered in when OHIP was first implemented in the '70's.

My understanding is there is no such thing as a truly private facility anymore. That even "private" ones still do OHIP (in this case) work.

Sure.

Private work is done quickly, just step up and pay.
OHIP, have a seat over there, in the next county. It's a bit of a line.

Doubt it. From what I gather on their website and by reading reviews, they schedule things as they come in. They get paid regardless of where the person lives or how it's being covered, so I doubt they really care. Considering the event happened in 2017 and he's just getting the surgery now in a couple weeks, it's not like he snapped his fingers and it happened. He has probably been waiting a few months himself for his appointment to come up.

[BartSimpson]

Tricks Tricks:

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Canadians who undergo treatment at the clinic can receive coverage depending on their provincial health-care plan.

You're right fact checking isn't hard.

So fucking what? There's a whole shitload of US hospitals that accept Canadian provincial health care coverage.

My own HMO, Kaiser Permanente, accepts Canadian health care coverage in an emergency and when authorized.

You saying that they're part of your socialist medicine program, too?

[bootlegga]

Robair Robair:

https://www.shouldice.com/faqs/

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Ontario Patients
Ontario’s Hospital Insurance Plan (OHIP) covers all costs to Ontario residents for public ward rate hospital accommodation and physician services.

Semi-private rooms are available at an additional cost. Patients with private insurance may be eligible for reimbursement on submission of paperwork we provide to you on discharge. We do not bill insurance companies directly on your behalf.

All charges are payable on admission by credit card, bank draft or cash.

Non-Ontario Canadian Resident Patients
Provincial health insurance plans cover all costs to Canadian residents for public ward rate hospital accommodation and physician services. Hospital ward charges are billed directly to respective provincial health ministries, with applicable physician services subject to payment by patients on admission. These fees may be submitted to provincial health plans for reimbursement based on paperwork provided to you on discharge. The amount you will be reimbursed will be dependent on your provinces applicable schedule of medical fees.

All qualifying patients will receive an admission letter with a breakdown of fees specific to their surgical procedure and related hospital stay.

Semi-private rooms are available at an additional cost. Patients with private insurance may be eligible for reimbursement on submission of paperwork we provide to you on discharge. We do not bill insurance companies directly on your behalf.

All charges are payable on admission by credit card, bank draft or cash.

US and International Patients
All patients who have submitted their medical questionnaire for assessment and have been qualified for surgery will receive a letter outlining our estimated fees specific to their stated surgical procedure and related hospital stay. Patients with private insurance coverage may be eligible for reimbursement on submission of paperwork provided to you. We do not bill insurance companies on your behalf, however, Shouldice Hospital has no-cost consultants trained to help you with your claim (as foreign insurance coverage is complicated we encourage all patients to pre-approve their coverage prior to admission).

All charges are payable on admission by credit card, bank draft or cash

In case any of you have a hernia that needs attention.

You just beat me to it...

[bootlegga]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Tricks Tricks:

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Canadians who undergo treatment at the clinic can receive coverage depending on their provincial health-care plan.

You're right fact checking isn't hard.

So fucking what? There's a whole shitload of US hospitals that accept Canadian provincial health care coverage.

My own HMO, Kaiser Permanente, accepts Canadian health care coverage in an emergency and when authorized.

You saying that they're part of your socialist medicine program, too?

No, the fact is that even in our 'socialized healthcare hell', doctors work at private clinics AND public hospitals to provide excellent medical care to Canadians.

This corporation runs a chain of medi-centres in three provinces, and they direct bill the government for healthcare, instead of an insurance company.

https://www.medicentres.com/

That is the only real difference between our two systems - who pays the bill. And guess what, Canada spends 11% of its GDP on health care, while the US pays 16% for less than full coverage of its citizens.

[llama66]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

You saying that they're part of your socialist medicine program, too?

Da, comrade. They are now part of the glorious people's health care system. [cue Soviet Anthem]

[Tricks]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Tricks Tricks:

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Canadians who undergo treatment at the clinic can receive coverage depending on their provincial health-care plan.

You're right fact checking isn't hard.

So fucking what? There's a whole shitload of US hospitals that accept Canadian provincial health care coverage.

My own HMO, Kaiser Permanente, accepts Canadian health care coverage in an emergency and when authorized.

You saying that they're part of your socialist medicine program, too?

They accept health care coverage because our government pays for it. Saying this facility is "outside" of socialized medicine when it actively takes patients that have everything covered by OHIP is one of the most moronic things I've ever heard. They do work for cash for people from other countries because they aren't covered by our coverage. If an American comes to Canada and needs to visit the hospital, their insurer will get billed. If they don't have insurance, they need to pay the hospital at the time of visit. The only exception is emergencies. That doesn't suddenly mean we don't have socialized medicine. It means we don't have socialized medicine for non-Canadians. Most other countries don't have any issue here, because they also have socialized medicine. So everything just gets billed back to their country and it's seamless.

[BartSimpson]

llama66 llama66:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

You saying that they're part of your socialist medicine program, too?

Da, comrade. They are now part of the glorious people's health care system. [cue Soviet Anthem]

Your request is my command, Comrade Commissar!!

[BartSimpson]

Tricks Tricks:

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Shouldice is still a private hospital regardless of whose insurance they accept for payment.

[Tricks]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Tricks Tricks:

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Shouldice is still a private hospital regardless of whose insurance they accept for payment.

I don't think you have any idea how our system works. Almost everything outside of government run hospitals are then private. The vast majority of walk in clinics are privately owned businesses.

[N_Fiddledog]

From the Shouldice website:

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The Global Leader in Non-Mesh Hernia Repair.
For over 70 years, we have been the only licensed hospital in the world dedicated to repairing hernias. More than 98% of our cases are performed with our natural tissue technique...without the use of mesh.

They offer a specialized service and they offer it to the world.

So questions: Does the Ontario government decide on the price for the specialized service? Are international customers required to stand in line, so to speak, behind Ontario patients receiving the socialized care?

If the answer to questions like those is no then it's private care for international patients.

[martin14]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

If the answer to questions like those is no then it's private care for international patients.

Especially for US Senators, who have a private system only for them,
best in the world. Paul ain't paying for nothing; Bart is.

[N_Fiddledog]

martin14 martin14:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

If the answer to questions like those is no then it's private care for international patients.

Especially for US Senators, who have a private system only for them,
best in the world. Paul ain't paying for nothing; Bart is.

Actually, I think this one may be more a case of the anti-Republican neighbor who assaulted Rand Paul being the one who eventually pays for it.

But as far as the question of "does Rand Paul require socialized medicine" goes one might see the answer more clearly if we look at the Cuban extreme:

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In "Cuba in Revolution," I mentioned the documented case of an ordinary Cuban citizen who was denied medical care at the Cira García clinic for foreign tourists. We learn from Dr. Dessy Mendoza that such cases are the rule rather than the exception. Furthermore, Dr. Mendoza recounts the difficulties of obtaining even those medications and treatments prescribed for ordinary Cubans.

He cites cases of patients with cancer who cannot get treatment because the medications have to be bought with dollars and not Cuban pesos! Yes, some pharmacies, like the specialized clinics, are authorized by the government to accept only dollars and are almost exclusively patronized by foreign tourists and the mayimbe class with access to dollars.

https://www.latinamericanstudies.org/cu ... dicine.htm

You can get "specialized" private treatment if you have the bucks.