[kenmore]

Bodah Bodah:

kenmore kenmore:

I thought they were weeding out personal attacks on her Bodah

Your turning over a new leaf ? Ok then.

Yes I am.. admitting to some nasty crap.. but heckling the torys isn't personal

[OnTheIce]

The guy was referring to policy, not a person.

Had he referred to an individual as a tar baby, than yes, it deserves an apology.

This is a term used by people on both sides of the floor and frequently in the media this is nothing but an attempt at controversy to stop the Liberals bleeding at the polls.

[N_Fiddledog]

The term was not used in a racial context. It was used correctly to refer to something which sticks to somebody, and can't be easily gotten rid of.

Attaching a racial context to the term when it's usage obviously had no such intent is an authoritarian insistence people see the PC censorship of the original source material as just. That's bullshit.

It's like when those Suzuki nimrods start hopping up and down on a radio talk show, because a caller used the term "global warming", instead of "climate change".

It isn't that the understanding of the term has changed, it's that they insist it must.

[snookums]

I truly believe Poilièvre had no idea that the term could have any racist connotation, because let's face it, Poilièvre is an ignorant kid trying to play politician. Everytime he claims ignorance, it's probably true.

Bodah Bodah:

I'm pretty sure we know he's not racist, I've met him nice guy. And does alot for the community.

What do people want for him to step down ?

Really? He does a lot for the community? I would really like to know exactly what because I can't name one thing besides photo ops where he could be helping the community..


Oh and for stepping down - that should have happened after the Native comments fiasco. Or the f*ck off comment during a committee session. Actually, he should have never been re-elected a second time, that is the root of the problem...

EDIT : I don't think this particular incident should make him step down - but the prior 'incidents' should have stripped him of his parliamentary secretary title..

[Yogi]

poquas poquas:

maldonsfecht maldonsfecht:

but again, that's not to say that it was in fact a racist statement. If others decide something based on emotion and opinion rather that unbiased by-the-book defining of something coming from the standpoint of the speaker than is he not above blame?

So you would advocate the use of the term nigger even if it was not used in a racist manner?

The word 'nigger' is not really used anymore to describe the color of a persons skin. It is used moreso to describe an 'attitude'. Although almost 'any word' can be used/construed as a racial epithet depending upon the context in which it is used and as imprtantly 'the tone'.

[Mustang1]

It's a dumb comment and a well-versed orator should be careful when expressing one's self. Don't use it or expect, rightfully so, a backlash. Having said that, he doesn't need to step down or anything that drastic - an apology is sufficient.

[poquas]

Yogi Yogi:

The word 'nigger' is not really used anymore to describe the color of a persons skin. It is used moreso to describe an 'attitude'. Although almost 'any word' can be used/construed as a racial epithet depending upon the context in which it is used and as imprtantly 'the tone'.

A Caucasian using the word “nigger”, regardless of the context or tone is inviting the shit storm that will follow and deservedly so.
That’s one of those tokens like the swastika that will forever have a negative connotation no matter how it’s used or poorly explained away (sun wheel my ass).

Any reasonably educated person knows better than to use those terms or symbols unless the intent is to be provocative.

I’ve lived in most provinces of Canada and using the term tar baby may have a rational definition, is clearly understood as a potential insult to anyone of colour. As I expressed earlier, I expect the people we elect to be a little smarter than the average person. That is becoming a lost cause.

[ridenrain]

It was a poor turn of phrase but neither Poilièvre, Chantal Hebert, or anyone else who uses it in good faith should have to apologise. This is just political correctness fueled by political opportunism.

[maldonsfecht]

ridenrain ridenrain:

It was a poor turn of phrase but neither Poilièvre, Chantal Hebert, or anyone else who uses it in good faith should have to apologise. This is just political correctness fueled by political opportunism.

[DerbyX]

Actually an apology is just what is called for. In fact often in society we apologize for inadvertently offending people. We do it at work, with friends, in relationships, and in society in general. Once at work 2 of my coworkers were discussing her son and his inquisitive nature. Specifically she talked about how he liked to investigate every little thing. I made the comment "sounds very ferret-like". She got quite upset. Turns out her son is a special needs child and she was very sensitive about him. I didn't mean offence and my comment wasn't insulting yet offence was taken. I apologized and explained my words and that was that.

I have no doubt that were this a Liberal there would be conservatives calling for his head like they did for Kinsella. All this guy has to do is offer an apology.

[Yogi]

poquas poquas:

Yogi Yogi:

The word 'nigger' is not really used anymore to describe the color of a persons skin. It is used moreso to describe an 'attitude'. Although almost 'any word' can be used/construed as a racial epithet depending upon the context in which it is used and as imprtantly 'the tone'.

A Caucasian using the word “nigger”, regardless of the context or tone is inviting the shit storm that will follow and deservedly so.
That’s one of those tokens like the swastika that will forever have a negative connotation no matter how it’s used or poorly explained away (sun wheel my ass).

Any reasonably educated person knows better than to use those terms or symbols unless the intent is to be provocative.

I’ve lived in most provinces of Canada and using the term tar baby may have a rational definition, is clearly understood as a potential insult to anyone of colour. As I expressed earlier, I expect the people we elect to be a little smarter than the average person. That is becoming a lost cause.

My personal experience teaches me that you are wrong! The 'word' can and is still used as a derogatory term refering to ones ethnicity, however 'it' is mainly used as reference to attitude and is actually oft times used as a term of affection and humor. Again, like almost any spoken word, it depends on the circumstance and the inferrence.

[Mustang1]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Actually an apology is just what is called for. In fact often in society we apologize for inadvertently offending people. We do it at work, with friends, in relationships, and in society in general. Once at work 2 of my coworkers were discussing her son and his inquisitive nature. Specifically she talked about how he liked to investigate every little thing. I made the comment "sounds very ferret-like". She got quite upset. Turns out her son is a special needs child and she was very sensitive about him. I didn't mean offence and my comment wasn't insulting yet offence was taken. I apologized and explained my words and that was that.

I have no doubt that were this a Liberal there would be conservatives calling for his head like they did for Kinsella. All this guy has to do is offer an apology.

And you've got to wonder about what kind of person who strenuously objects to simply offering an apology for misspeaking. It'll be interesting to see if these partisan hacks take the same approach when it's a party of another stripe.

[OnTheIce]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Actually an apology is just what is called for. In fact often in society we apologize for inadvertently offending people. We do it at work, with friends, in relationships, and in society in general. Once at work 2 of my coworkers were discussing her son and his inquisitive nature. Specifically she talked about how he liked to investigate every little thing. I made the comment "sounds very ferret-like". She got quite upset. Turns out her son is a special needs child and she was very sensitive about him. I didn't mean offence and my comment wasn't insulting yet offence was taken. I apologized and explained my words and that was that.

I have no doubt that were this a Liberal there would be conservatives calling for his head like they did for Kinsella. All this guy has to do is offer an apology.

Of course you would apologize if you offended someone at work or at home, when you know you genuinely offended them.

However, when you know the offended one is just playing the part for political gain, an apology is not necessary. The context isn't even there whereas your situation, it's clear it was.

[DerbyX]

The offended MP was black and therefore has a different opinion. How are you not being offensive when you claim she is doing it only for political gain rather then because she was truly offended?

[Arctic_Menace]

DerbyX DerbyX:

The offended MP was black and therefore has a different opinion. How are you not being offensive when you claim she is doing it only for political gain rather then because she was truly offended?

Didn't you know? Apparently us Liberals do nothing but scheme ways of getting into power/gaining power and are actively seeking to destroy Canada.