[andyt]

He didn't even get that far, Brenda. Just tried to shut down you asking a poster who voluntarily offered her opinion to clarify what her opinion is. The slimeball tried to turn into you or I asking her if she had an abortion. SOP CKA

[commanderkai]

Khar Khar:

commanderkai commanderkai:

Khar Khar:

If you had nitpicked your way a whole sentence later ( ), you'd see the Ipsos Reid version where the 6% value is cited (showing how I distinguished it from the 27% value from later), as well as further evidence of the 50% (49%) of Canadians not wanting any restrictions (ie whenever a woman decides she wants one).

In that same article (the National Post one) that you cited, 60% of Canadians would also support a law that would place restrictions on abortion. A bit of a contradiction, there. If you add up the "some restrictions" and "no abortion at all" only gets you 51% of the population, and yet, a small, but significant chunk of the population that believes in "unrestricted" abortion also want a law restricting abortion.

49% is not small, especially when in comparison to the 6% in opposition to abortion whatsoever, or even the 27% who would identify as pro-life. Further, there are people on this site who are for no restrictions, but would be alright supporting some restrictions on it if that came about. It's possible to be full pro-choice yet still be able to say "yeah, if they threw in a provision that made sense, I wouldn't be against it." Hence, they fall on the "for some restrictions" side in the second sample, even if they currently support full-on abortion.

I think you're confused about what I said was small.

In your own link to the National Post article, 49% seemingly supported unrestricted abortion, and yet, in that same article, 60% of Canadians support a law restricting abortion, like only in the first two trimesters.

So, a small, but significant chunk of the 49% also seemingly support creating a law to restrict abortion (assuming the 6% pro life, and 45% some restriction on abortion people agree to create a law restricting abortion).

To be honest, your links illustrate how little informed Canadians are as to what "unrestricted abortion" even means, more than anything else. I highly doubt most Canadians would support third trimester abortions in Canada, especially for no real medical need or due to a situation like rape or incest.

[MeganC]

Brenda Brenda:

MeganC MeganC:

I know I would never have an abortion and that's my choice.

Would you deny someone else to have one though?

If its for stupid reasons then yes.

$1:

Would you hold your friends hand when she is having one?

I don't have friends who would kill their babies.

$1:

Would you help her raise the child she does not want if she is not allowed to have one?

We have room for more children.

$1:

Would you help her get through the stress of childbirth and then adoption?

No, we'd work extra hard so she could keep her baby and be a mom.

$1:

Those are all questions that matter.

Only to someone who doesn't like or respect my choice.

[andyt]

MeganC MeganC:

I know I would never have an abortion and that's my choice.

Brenda Brenda:

Would you deny someone else to have one though?

If its for stupid reasons then yes.

Brenda Brenda:

Those are all questions that matter.

MeganC MeganC:

Only to someone who doesn't like or respect my choice.

So you want respect for your choice, but are willing to force your choice on others, so not respecting their choice? Think you deserve respect for that?

[MeganC]

andyt andyt:

MeganC MeganC:

I know I would never have an abortion and that's my choice.

Brenda Brenda:

Would you deny someone else to have one though?

If its for stupid reasons then yes.

Brenda Brenda:

Those are all questions that matter.

MeganC MeganC:

Only to someone who doesn't like or respect my choice.

So you want respect for your choice, but are willing to force your choice on others, so not respecting their choice? Think you deserve respect for that?

I'm not pro-choice or pro-abortion but I am okay with abortion in very limited situations like when the mom will die if she has the baby. But if someone says they are pro-choice and then they don't respect my choice NOT to have an abortion then they are not really pro-choice are they?

[andyt]

No they're not. Has anybody done that? (I see you've learned your debating skills from Bart and PF.) What's not respected is you refusing somebody else to make a different choice, while you want your choice respected. Do you see the irony here? Where's your respect for their choice?

[MeganC]

andyt andyt:

No they're not. Has anybody done that? (I see you've learned your debating skills from Bart and PF.) What's not respected is you refusing somebody else to make a different choice, while you want your choice respected. Do you see the irony here? Where's your respect for their choice?

Like I said I am not calling myself pro-choice so if I am not pro-choice then I am not lying about it. But if someone wants to say they are pro-choice but then they are really pro-abortion they need to be honest about that too.

I looked at the membership list and could not find PF. Is that an old member or someone else?

[PostFactum]

MeganC MeganC:

I looked at the membership list and could not find PF. Is that an old member or someone else?

Yes, I'm new here, arrived today to CKA by bicycle

[MeganC]

PostFactum PostFactum:

MeganC MeganC:

I looked at the membership list and could not find PF. Is that an old member or someone else?

Yes, I'm new here, arrived today to CKA by bicycle

PF = PostFactum

I love your posts on the Ukraine topic! I am always looking at maps to see where these places are you write about. When things are peaceful again over there it looks like it would be a beautiful place to visit!

[2Cdo]

andyt andyt:

No they're not. Has anybody done that? (I see you've learned your debating skills from Bart and PF.) What's not respected is you refusing somebody else to make a different choice, while you want your choice respected. Do you see the irony here? Where's your respect for their choice?

Still waiting for you to develop any debating skills period.

[andyt]

MeganC MeganC:

andyt andyt:

No they're not. Has anybody done that? (I see you've learned your debating skills from Bart and PF.) What's not respected is you refusing somebody else to make a different choice, while you want your choice respected. Do you see the irony here? Where's your respect for their choice?

Like I said I am not calling myself pro-choice so if I am not pro-choice then I am not lying about it. But if someone wants to say they are pro-choice but then they are really pro-abortion they need to be honest about that too.

I looked at the membership list and could not find PF. Is that an old member or someone else?

So they have to respect your choice (which they do) but you won't respect theirs? Very nice.

Nobody is pro-abortion in the sense they would force someone to have an abortion. Not in Canada, not in the US. Except maybe in paranoid rightwingnut world.

[PostFactum]

MeganC MeganC:

PostFactum PostFactum:

MeganC MeganC:

I looked at the membership list and could not find PF. Is that an old member or someone else?

Yes, I'm new here, arrived today to CKA by bicycle

PF = PostFactum

I love your posts on the Ukraine topic! I am always looking at maps to see where these places are you write about. When things are peaceful again over there it looks like it would be a beautiful place to visit!

Thank you Lady, I'll try to make a little map of "shit boiling" here.

[PostFactum]

andyt andyt:

MeganC MeganC:

andyt andyt:

No they're not. Has anybody done that? (I see you've learned your debating skills from Bart and PF.) What's not respected is you refusing somebody else to make a different choice, while you want your choice respected. Do you see the irony here? Where's your respect for their choice?

Like I said I am not calling myself pro-choice so if I am not pro-choice then I am not lying about it. But if someone wants to say they are pro-choice but then they are really pro-abortion they need to be honest about that too.

I looked at the membership list and could not find PF. Is that an old member or someone else?

So they have to respect your choice (which they do) but you won't respect theirs? Very nice.

Nobody is pro-abortion in the sense they would force someone to have an abortion. Not in Canada, not in the US. Except maybe in paranoid rightwingnut world.

Andyt, we all are very afraid of date you will be retired, you will have a lot of free time so...

ok, let's not make panic in community too early.

[MeganC]

andyt andyt:

So they have to respect your choice (which they do) but you won't respect theirs? Very nice.

When someone responds to my choice by questioning me then they don't respect my choice.

$1:

Nobody is pro-abortion in the sense they would force someone to have an abortion. Not in Canada, not in the US. Except maybe in paranoid rightwingnut world.

Then why get upset and challenge me if I just say my choice is not to have an abortion? That's not defending choice that's defending abortion.

[andyt]

Who's upset? When someone questions the ramifications of the choice you make, that's called having a discussion. At least where I come from. This isn't a board where you just press the like button. And again, you want your choice respected, but won't respect the other's choice.

She is certainly defending somebody's choice to have an abortion. It is exactly defending choice, while you would deny choice.