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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06 ... -bergdahl/
BRUSSELS (AP) — U.S. Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey says the Army may still pursue an investigation that could lead to desertion charges against Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl (boh BURG’-dahl), who was freed from five years of Taliban captivity in a prisoner exchange last weekend.

Dempsey also told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Tuesday that Bergdahl’s next scheduled promotion is not automatic because he is no longer missing in action.

He noted that U.S. military leaders “have been accused of looking away from misconduct” and said “it’s premature” to assume they would do so in Bergdahl’s case, despite his five years as a Taliban detainee.

Bergdahl was handed over to U.S. Army special forces Saturday in exchange for the release of five detainees at the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba detention facility.


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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/us/us ... it.html?hp
That account, provided by a former senior military officer briefed on the investigation into the private’s disappearance, is part of a more complicated picture emerging of the capture of a soldier whose five years as a Taliban prisoner influenced high-level diplomatic negotiations, brought in foreign governments, and ended with him whisked away on a helicopter by American commandos.
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The release of Sergeant Bergdahl (he was promoted in captivity) has created political problems for the Obama administration, which is having to defend his exchange for five Taliban detainees held at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, but it also presents delicate politics for Republicans who are attacking, through surrogates, America’s last known prisoner of war.

The furious search for Sergeant Bergdahl, his critics say, led to the deaths of at least two soldiers and possibly six others in the area. Pentagon officials say those charges are unsubstantiated and are not supported by a review of a database of casualties in the Afghan war.

The soldiers began a frantic search for Sergeant Bergdahl using Predator drones, Apache attack helicopters and military tracking dogs. The most intense search operation, leaked war reports show, wound down after eight days — well before the deaths of six soldiers on patrols in Paktika Province in late August and early September. But, complicating matters, some soldiers contend they were effectively searching for 90 days because of clear orders: If they heard rumors from locals that Sergeant Bergdahl might be nearby, they should patrol the area.

Mr. Full, then a specialist in the platoon, said he and other platoon members grew increasingly bitter at the time they were spending looking for Sergeant Bergdahl. “He had sent all his belongings home — his computer, personal items,” said Mr. Full, now 25. He said Sergeant Bergdahl used to gaze at the mountains around them and say he wondered if he could get to China from there. Other platoon members said that Sergeant Bergdahl wrote Jason Bourne-type novels in which he inserted himself as the lead character.


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I trust the military justice system more than I ever will the lynch mob on Fox & Friends or at Breitbart. None of those pricks ever put a uniform on but they're all demanding the head of Bergdahl? Screw them. They're the same rancid Der Sturmer scum-of-the-earth they've always been. :evil:


Could agree with you more. Dang I do wish your rep point system was on. I've seen tow posts of yours today that made me want to + rep you for. R=UP


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What about the soldiers who served with Bergdahl appearing on Megyn Kelly. Are we mad at them too?



Now me I'll trust the military justice system when I see it doing something. Until then it's looking like Chicago rules.


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I am sure there will be plenty of leaks on this case.
But nothing surprises me about this Administration after calling the Fort Hood shooting, workplace violence.


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From the New York Times:

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Sometime after midnight on June 30, 2009, Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl left behind a note in his tent saying he had become disillusioned with the Army, did not support the American mission in Afghanistan and was leaving to start a new life. He slipped off the remote military outpost in Paktika Province on the border with Pakistan and took with him a soft backpack, water, knives, a notebook and writing materials, but left behind his body armor and weapons — startling, given the hostile environment around his outpost.

That account, provided by a former senior military officer briefed on the investigation into the private’s disappearance, is part of a more complicated picture emerging of the capture of a soldier whose five years as a Taliban prisoner influenced high-level diplomatic negotiations, brought in foreign governments, and ended with him whisked away on a helicopter by American commandos...


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/us/us ... -unit.html


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Can't wait for the investigation or questioning to finish, or to even begin, before you start building the gallows, eh? :roll:

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http://time.com/2818827/taliban-bergdah ... ite-house/

Pentagon, Intelligence officials used Top Secret intelligence to prevent previous release of Taliban Five, officials tell TIME.
U.S. President Barack Obama stands with Bob Bergdahl (right) and Jami Bergdahl (left) as he delivers a statement about the release of their son, prisoner of war U.S. Army Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl, in the Rose Garden at the White House in Washington, D.C., on May 31, 2014.
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To pull off the prisoner swap of five Taliban leaders for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, the White House overrode an existing interagency process charged with debating the transfer of Guantanamo Bay prisoners and dismissed long-standing Pentagon and intelligence community concerns based on Top Secret intelligence about the dangers of releasing the five men, sources familiar with the debate tell TIME.
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National Security Council officials at the White House decline to describe the work of the ad hoc process they established to trade the prisoners, or to detail the measures they have taken to limit the threat the Taliban officials may pose. They say consensus on the plan was reached by the top officials of Obama’s national security team, including representatives from the Pentagon, State Department, intelligence community and Joint Chiefs of Staff. “These releases were worked extensively through deputies and principals,” says National Security Counsel Deputy for Strategic Communications Ben Rhodes. “There was not a dissent on moving forward with this plan.”
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But officials in the Pentagon and intelligence communities had successfully fought off release of the five men in the past, officials tell TIME. “This was out of the norm,” says one official familiar with the debate over the dangers of releasing the five Taliban officials. “There was never the conversation.” Obama’s move was an ultimate victory for those at the White House and the State Department who had previously argued the military should “suck it up and salute,” says the official familiar with the debate.

Obama has broad authority under Article II of the U.S. Constitution to order the prisoner exchange as commander in chief of America’s armed forces. The lengths to which he went to bring it about show how determined he was to resolve the lingering issue of America’s only prisoner of war in Afghanistan.

The Obama administration first considered whether the five men were safe to release at the very start of his term as president. In January 2009, Obama ordered a Justice Department-led review of all 240 Guantanamo Bay detainees. The five Taliban leaders were found to be high risks to return to the fight against Americans, confirming Bush administration assessments of the threat they posed, according to officials familiar with the group’s findings. “These five are clearly bad dudes,” says a second source familiar with the debate over their release, adding that the detainees are likely to return to the fight.

Thereafter, the administration established a regular process for handling the release of detainees from the military prison at Guantanamo Bay. Releases were considered and approved through the “Guantanamo Transfer Working Group” which comprised officials from the State Department, the Pentagon, the intelligence community, the Department of Homeland Security and the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Over time, 82 detainees have been released by the Obama administration, according to the latest report to Congress by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.

The question of the release of the five Taliban leaders was a recurrent subject of debate in the administration and was a key element of the behind the scenes effort by the State Department and the White House to negotiate a peace deal with the Taliban. The transfer of the five was discussed as a possible confidence-building measure to pave the way for a deal. The debates over their release were contentious, officials familiar with them say.

Those opposing release had the benefit of secret and top secret intelligence showing that the five men were a continuing threat, officials familiar with the debate tell TIME. But in the push from the White House and the State Department to clear the men, opponents to release found themselves under constant pressure to prove that the five were dangerous. “It was a heavy burden to show they were bad,” says the second source familiar with the debate.

Opponents of release say absent a peace deal with the Taliban, the release makes no sense. “When our military is engaged in combat operations you’re always going to err on the side of caution,” says the first official familiar with the debate. “Just conceptually, how much sense does it make to release your enemy when you’re still at war with him?”


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N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Now me I'll trust the military justice system when I see it doing something. Until then it's looking like Chicago rules.

When you say "something" do you mean giving your expected results or will you accept what comes from a trial?


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“When our military is engaged in combat operations you’re always going to err on the side of caution,” says the first official familiar with the debate. “Just conceptually, how much sense does it make to release your enemy when you’re still at war with him?”


Ask the Israelis, who do it all the time. Or the leaders of both the Union and the Confederacy, who did it multiple times during the course of the American Civil War. I liked the world better, like during the Cold War, when enemies found it advisable and saw nothing shameful in talking to each other, as opposed to today's advice offered by pro-Forever War conservatives that consists of little more than sticking fingers in their ears and going "la-la-la-la, I can't hear you, they're like totally the bad guys and I'm not talking to them, la-la-la-la".

This issue certainly went from worthy-of-serious-discussion to comprehensively-ruined-by-rightwing-batshit in record time. It beat the hell out of the previous record time set by the Benghazi consulate incident. :|


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If he is deemed mentally fit and the evidence is there, then a trial.
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http://usmilitary.about.com/od/justicel ... /awol7.htm

The commander has many options to choose from. The commander could impose Article 15 (nonjudicial punishment), possibly imposing a fine, or restriction, or correctional custody, or reduction in rank, and then allow the member to return to duty. The commander could impose an administrative discharge, usually with either a general or other-than-honorable conditions (OTHC) discharge characterization. The commander could impose Article 15 punishment, and then follow it up immediately with administrative discharge proceedings (thereby discharging the person with no stripes on his/her shoulder and/or imposing a fine so they are discharged with little or no money in their pocket). Or, the commander could refer the case to trial by court-martial.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/justicel ... /awol6.htm
Article 85 - Desertion. This is the most serious of the absentee offenses. Remember the primary difference between AWOL and desertion is intent to remain away from the military permanently.

(1) If a member deserted, but voluntarily returned to military control: Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, reduction to the lowest enlisted grade, and confinement for 2 years.

(2) If the member deserted and the desertion was terminated by apprehension: Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, reduction to the lowest enlisted grade, and confinement for 3 years.

(3) If the member deserted with the intent to avoid hazardous duty or to shirk important service (and example of this would be a member ordered to deploy to Iraq and then deserts to avoid the deployment): Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, reduction to the lowest enlisted grade, and confinement for 5 years.

(4) If the member deserts during time of war: Death or such other punishment (such as life in prison) as a court-martial may direct.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 7:33 pm
 


Qatar allowing freed Taliban men to move freely in country: Gulf official

http://news.yahoo.com/qatar-allowing-freed-taliban-men-move-freely-country-130028784.html

White House Overrode Internal Objections to Taliban Prisoner Release


http://time.com/2818827/taliban-bergdahl-pow-release-objections-white-house/

Revealed: Bowe Bergdahl left letter telling comrades at Afghan base he was 'leaving to start new life and didn't want to fight for America' as Army announces he DOES face desertion charges

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2647397/Revealed-Bowe-Bergdahl-left-note-comrades-telling-leaving-start-new-life-Army-general-says-faces-desertion-charges.html

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Emperor Obama might as well have thrown in a years pass to Disneyland for the Gitmo Five. :roll:


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Thanos Thanos:
Can't wait for the investigation or questioning to finish, or to even begin, before you start building the gallows, eh? :roll:

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Meh, the only gallows will be for Obama politically in the mid term elections as for Bergdahl if he faces a court martial for desertion it probably won't happen for at least a year so continue with your Anti-Right Wing Rants.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 9:00 pm
 


Oh noes Democrats.

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