[N_Fiddledog]

xerxes xerxes:

But let's forget about Jessica Lynch then. How about Galid Shalit? Israel, the notorious terrorist appeasers, released 1027 Palestinians, a good number of which had Israeli blood on their hands, in exchange for ONE soldier.

Was that wrong?

Yes, also irrelevant. Bergdahl is it's own case. Trying to make it about something else, or desperately seeking some sort of equivalence is just diversion.

[xerxes]

No, it's called citing past precedent.

[stratos]

xerxes xerxes:

No, it's called citing past precedent.

Precedent in what? Prisoner exchange? Hostage for Weapons exchange? Rescue of a military prisoner during a war time situation?

You have thrown out all of those I'm just wonder what it is in precedent to?

[Thanos]

Highly detailed and sensible analysis of the situation here. The war is ending. All the US troops will be home in a couple more years. Prisoner exchanges are standard procedure everywhere as the fighting peters out and drifts towards a cease-fire or unsigned armistice. If they weren't then the Allies would have been responsible for housing and feeding millions of German POW's in perpetuity long after the war was finished. Instead they did the sensible thing and sent most of those men, aside from the obvious war criminals in their ranks, home to rebuild their own country and live the rest of their lives the best they could. "Sensible", I should say, to any normal people with "normal" of course eliminating any TeaBirchers, neo-cons, Forever War assholes, and internet chickenhawks from even coming close to understanding what the fuck it is that I'm talking about.

Israel, for example, has no problem at all in exchanging dozens, or even hundreds, of Palestinian militants to get one of their own back. To the credit of the United States government and military the Americans did the exact same thing to get Bergdahl back. If he's guilty of desertion then court-martial him after a proper military investigation is done, not at the behest of the usual mouth-frothing right-wing assholes who aren't capable of putting their disgusting hatred on hold even for a fucking second.

[stratos]

$1:

Prisoner exchanges are standard procedure everywhere as the fighting peters out and drifts towards a cease-fire or unsigned armistice. If they weren't then the Allies would have been responsible for housing and feeding millions of German POW's in perpetuity long after the war was finished. Instead they did the sensible thing and sent most of those men, aside from the obvious war criminals in their ranks, home to rebuild their own country and live the rest of their lives the best they could

Yes that has been going on for ages, as in even back during the Roman Empire age. Not on a wide scale but just often enough to be linked to what you posted.

$1:

If he's guilty of desertion then court-martial him after a proper military investigation is done

My only issue is if an investigation will be conducted or just a gloss over one if one at all. I'm kind of up in the air over this and want more info before I sit down and say he is a deserter and needs to be tried.

[Thanos]

I trust the military justice system more than I ever will the lynch mob on Fox & Friends or at Breitbart. None of those pricks ever put a uniform on but they're all demanding the head of Bergdahl? Screw them. They're the same rancid Der Sturmer scum-of-the-earth they've always been.

[N_Fiddledog]

Prisoner exchanges are standard procedure for standard nations, but the standard procedure for the Taliban in dealing with prisoners is more in the line of beheading. And there's a theory that says it wasn't even the Taliban that held Bergdahl. It was this Afghani criminal organization that among other things mediates for the Taliban, I think it's called the Haqqani.

But you're falling for the Jay Carney line of reasoning that Bergdahl wasn't a hostage. He was a prisoner.

Here's the problem with that. If Bergdahl was a hostage then dealing for him sends a message to terrorists and other crooks or madmen, "Want something from America? Kidnap somebody."

But yeah, if he was a Prisoner of War you fight the war until conclusion then you release the prisoners. In theory anyway.

[Thanos]

As the article I linked to states no one in the American military leadership is concerned that this will lead to kidnapping of US personnel. At best Bergdahl was a moron who stumbled into this thanks to his own stupidity. The other American personnel aren't that stupid and reckless, so allegations that this will lead to a Taliban hostage-taking campaign are premature at best and scurrilous at worst, the latter being entirely typical of the talking-head circus that loves to invent bullshit out of thin air.

[N_Fiddledog]

Thanos Thanos:

As the article I linked to states no one in the American military leadership is concerned that this will lead to kidnapping of US personnel.

What's left in the Military leadership anyway? Didn't Barry and Val pretty much clear anybody out who wasn't going to play ball the Chicago way?

The ones left...those are the ones who were content leaving the heroes on the roof in Benghazi, right?

Yeah, I'm just brimming over with confidence on everything those guys might tell Gawker.

Those are the ones that want to assist the Christian crucifiers in Syria right. Sure geniuses, you do you're dealing with the ISIS for a while, then come back and tell us how they might behead a few thousand and eat the livers out of one or two, but they would draw the line at kidnapping.

[Goober911]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Prisoner exchanges are standard procedure for standard nations, but the standard procedure for the Taliban in dealing with prisoners is more in the line of beheading. And there's a theory that says it wasn't even the Taliban that held Bergdahl. It was this Afghani criminal organization that among other things mediates for the Taliban, I think it's called the Haqqani.

But you're falling for the Jay Carney line of reasoning that Bergdahl wasn't a hostage. He was a prisoner.

Here's the problem with that. If Bergdahl was a hostage then dealing for him sends a message to terrorists and other crooks or madmen, "Want something from America? Kidnap somebody."

But yeah, if he was a Prisoner of War you fight the war until conclusion then you release the prisoners. In theory anyway.

The US is attempting to broker a deal in A-Stan and the Taliban are the key. Also the Taliban has divisions within.

[BRAH]

Thanos Thanos:

Highly detailed and sensible analysis of the situation here. The war is ending. All the US troops will be home in a couple more years. Prisoner exchanges are standard procedure everywhere as the fighting peters out and drifts towards a cease-fire or unsigned armistice. If they weren't then the Allies would have been responsible for housing and feeding millions of German POW's in perpetuity long after the war was finished. Instead they did the sensible thing and sent most of those men, aside from the obvious war criminals in their ranks, home to rebuild their own country and live the rest of their lives the best they could. "Sensible", I should say, to any normal people with "normal" of course eliminating any TeaBirchers, neo-cons, Forever War assholes, and internet chickenhawks from even coming close to understanding what the fuck it is that I'm talking about.

Israel, for example, has no problem at all in exchanging dozens, or even hundreds, of Palestinian militants to get one of their own back. To the credit of the United States government and military the Americans did the exact same thing to get Bergdahl back. If he's guilty of desertion then court-martial him after a proper military investigation is done, not at the behest of the usual mouth-frothing right-wing assholes who aren't capable of putting their disgusting hatred on hold even for a fucking second.

You need to get off your Left Wing High Horse and Go Fuck Yourself!

Fellow soldiers: Bergdahl
a deserter, not a herotiated

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/01/us/bergdahl-deserter-or-hero/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
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It's clear what his fellow soldiers think of him. The United States is not Israel which means they're not in the same position of being surrounded by countries who want to kill you so of course the way they deal with POW's is going to be different.

[xerxes]

No it's not. Again considering Israel released [u]1027[/] to get one soldier back, it's a good deal. If this had been done under GWB you and the rest of the usual suspects would be in an orgasmic circle jerk, fawning at the genius of the deal.

[BRAH]

xerxes xerxes:

No it's not. Again considering Israel released [u]1027[/] to get one soldier back, it's a good deal. If this had been done under GWB you and the rest of the usual suspects would be in an orgasmic circle jerk, fawning at the genius of the deal.

GWB wouldn't have done it so your hypothetical scenario falls flat like Janet Wood. This is Obama's Wag The Dog because when you ask the media about the VA scandal the response will be "What VA scandal?" He can also move forward to close Gitmo appeasing to his base and win back Democrats he lost for the mid term elections.

What's also interesting is the Taliban has an office where this negotiated through, guess if your a Terrorist organization you need an office, office supplies and a Keurig.

[xerxes]

Even bad guys need an office I guess. And from what I've read, the Qatari's played intermediary for a lot of the negotiations as well.

[2Cdo]

xerxes xerxes:

No it's not. Again considering Israel released [u]1027[/] to get one soldier back, it's a good deal. If this had been done under GWB you and the rest of the usual suspects would be in an orgasmic circle jerk, fawning at the genius of the deal.

He's a deserter, nothing should have been done for him. But it doesn't matter because you and the rest of the usual suspects are gathering in an orgasmic circle jerk fawning at the "genius" of the deal Obama made.