[Thanos]

You were never our friends either then. All you were doing was waiting for the right monster to come along that you could hitch your wagon to so you could unleash your pent-up rage and bitter hatred on the world. Your country is so similar now to 1920's Germany now that it's uncanny. Just endless blame to lay on all your imagined enemies that your sick fever-dream creates, and absolutely none for yourselves even though it's obvious to anyone who can see that every single one of you, from the baby boomers on down, has utterly failed to live up to the standards your ancestors bequeathed to you.

Another ten years and you'll be operating death-camps indistinguishable from Auschwitz or the Soviet Gulags. Fucking bank on it because you are no longer a decent or civilized people.

[Vbeacher]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

You're looking at tariffs to protect your market and you're missing the real problem.

You need to be asking why Canada has a business climate so bad that it's significantly cheaper to import a product from socialist Europe than it is to just use a similar domestic product?
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Uh, because Europe and the US massively subsidize their farmers. And the US already ships twice as much in dairy products to Canada as we do to the US.

U.S. producers, who also benefit from subsidies and tariffs, exported about C$296 million ($227 million) in dairy goods to Canada last year, Statistics Canada data show. Canadian producers sold C$148.1 million in milk products in the opposite direction, a 2-to-1 U.S. trade surplus. It’s a trade gap the Canadian ambassador to Washington, David MacNaughton, frequently cites. “Overall, the U.S. is more restrictive,” said Peter Clark, a trade consultant and president of Ottawa-based Grey, Clark Shih & Associates, who has done research for the Dairy Farmers of Canada.

Pierre Lampron, who heads the Canadian dairy farmer lobby group, said the U.S. market is vulnerable to milk surpluses and price crashes. “President Trump isn’t going after the system of supply management as much as looking to dump surplus subsidized U.S. dairy products on the Canadian market,” Lampron said. Trudeau, meanwhile, has pledged to defend supply management.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-11/how-canada-s-sacred-cows-and-270-tariffs-set-trump-off-at-g-7

[Robair]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

And as an example of why Canada's brilliant dairy controls are so wrong here's an example of someone smuggling in cheese from the USA because the profit margins are so fucking huge.

https://www.niagarafallsreview.ca/news- ... =hootsuite

tl;dr =

$1:

Cheese Case:

• A case of cheese that cost about $300 in Canada, could be purchased for about $200 in the U.S.

• More than $141,000 in product had been purchased.

• About $325,000 in duties had been evaded.

For the third fucking time...

There is no hidden subsidy provided by Canadian taxpayers to dairy farmers. By comparison, U.S. subsidies to dairy producers represent about 40% of American dairy farmer incomes, when it reaches them.

Understand yet? Do I need to dumb it down a little more??

[xerxes]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

xerxes xerxes:

Which explains why Trump...alienated his allies.

They were never his allies.

Given that their friendship to the USA was conditioned on their choice of who we elected as President then they were never really America's allies either.

Yes they were. Just because the rest of the world would have preferred Hillary to win and saw Trump for the Russian puppet and all around scumbag he proves himself daily to be, doesn’t mean that alliances are conditonal.

It truly is amazing how quickly right wingers have fallen into Trump’s diseased thinking where if people aren’t bending the knee to lick Trump’s boots, then they are instantly his enemies.

[Tricks]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

xerxes xerxes:

Which explains why Trump...alienated his allies.

They were never his allies.

Weird. I could have swore we were allies when we went to war along side you and landed planes and took care of your citizens on the darkest day your country has had in the last half century.

Guess not though.

[peck420]

Tricks Tricks:

Weird. I could have swore we were allies when we went to war along side you and landed planes and took care of your citizens on the darkest day your country has had in the last half century.

Guess not though.

I would take them again if it happened today.

I don't care how shitty Americans can be. I am Canadian, and I want to act like one.

I hope my brethren think the same, but...too be completely honest, it's okay if you disagree with me too.

[Tricks]

peck420 peck420:

Tricks Tricks:

Weird. I could have swore we were allies when we went to war along side you and landed planes and took care of your citizens on the darkest day your country has had in the last half century.

Guess not though.

I would take them again if it happened today.

I don't care how shitty Americans can be. I am Canadian, and I want to act like one.

I hope my brethren think the same, but...too be completely honest, it's okay if you disagree with me too.

Nope, I'm in complete agreement with you. Their leader should never dictate our actions towards their people in times of need short of him starting a war with us or something similarly nuts. Just as I would expect the average American to feel the same way about Canada.

[Zipperfish]

llama66 llama66:

Nuclear thinking does not help, it'll only lead to other problems.

In a quickly changing world, it makes sense to think a few moves ahead.


This is Trump beaking off on Twitter again. He could make an about turn next week. Probably will.

Other issues are more significant--the US is moving to isolationism and is busy burning diplomatic bridges. How does a strong military power influence world events when it no longer has diplomacy as an option? By force. I think you'll see the US move to a war footing.

There UAS is, ideologically, probably more in line with Putin's Russia now than it is with the EU or the old Commonwealth. Thus Brah's admiration of Putin, and Bart's desire to move US power in Europe from Germany to Romania.

For those reasons, more than Trumps latest Twitfest, Canada needs to explore more radical foreign policy and international trade options.

[Thanos]

Tricks Tricks:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

xerxes xerxes:

Which explains why Trump...alienated his allies.

They were never his allies.

Weird. I could have swore we were allies when we went to war along side you and landed planes and took care of your citizens on the darkest day your country has had in the last half century.

Guess not though.

All they remember now from Sept 11, 2001 was the incessant all-consuming hatred it installed in them that morphed into this bullshit dolchstoss where they now believe that everyone, especially their old allies, are out to get them. The niggling details about their allies standing next to them, including a hundred and fifty dead Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan, means nothing to them now. And it's probably it never did mean anything to them ever, certainly not to the chickenhawk Forever War fucks that Trump's surrounded himself with.

xerxes xerxes:

It truly is amazing how quickly right wingers have fallen into Trump’s diseased thinking where if people aren’t bending the knee to lick Trump’s boots, then they are instantly his enemies.

This from a people whose nation was founded on the ideal of liberty from the whims and greed of feckless nobles and having no truce with despotic kings, ever. Now they fall in line behind the worst wannabe tyrant their sewer of a political system has ever vomited out. Those right-wingers with their Gadsden flags and all the "sic semper tyrannus" bling? Just another thing not a single one of them believes in, as shown by their cultist willingness to ram their tongues up Trump's butthole every time he demands it.

[BeaverFever]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Thanos Thanos:

And now the putrid little quislings merrily get to work, all too eager to give that stab in the back to their own so they can get a pat on the head from the enemy.

Yeah, let's all get behind the pinhead Canada elected, who when the opportunity arose to renegotiate NAFTA decided to try and force his ideological crap onto the US instead of sticking to business.
This is what happens when you intentionally set out to negotiate in bad faith. This is what happens when you try to turn an already exiting trade agreement into some little progtard manifesto.


Canada’s NAFTA strategy is in trouble, to the extent that officials reportedly fear the United States is about to withdraw from the deal.

Canada’s credibility with Americans has been damaged during the past year because political expediency has triumphed over institutional integrity. Understanding how Canada’s credibility has been damaged, and repairing it, will be key to a new start. Cont'd at link.

http://theconversation.com/rebooting-ca ... tegy-89746

What “ideological crap” exactly? Not selling out the country’s legitimate interests to a know-nothing Russian puppet whose fact-free and baseless accusations and trade wars against every western demoracy has left him ridiculed and despised by the entire G7?

[BeaverFever]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

llama66 llama66:

As it is, I do agree with the PM that we shouldn't be bullied, especially by what supposed to be our closest ally.

That's now a two-way street with President Trump.

If Canada doesn't want to be bullied on trade then don't expect us to go along with being smiled at while Canada comes up with all sorts of excuses why your markets need to be defended with massive tariffs.

Where Trump is heading with all of this is sectoral reciprocity.

That means if you truly want free trade then you lower your barriers to trade and we lower ours. But you don't get to make claims about how your socialized market control programs are so important that you get to justify 270% tariffs because your government has so fucked up your dairy industry that it would die on the vine without protections.

Here's a radical suggestion: Mirror our regulations on the dairy industry to reduce costs to your own so they're competitive with ours. Then they won't need to be protected.

You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. Americas endless dairy subsidies are why the US dairy industry is dying from overproduction and is drowning in milk that can’t sell for the cost it takes to produce it. US Sells 5x more dairy im Canada than we sell in the US.

[BeaverFever]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

In the unconfirmed chatter department a group of my West Point friends on Saturday said that they were going to be taking Polish language classes. One of them made the informed speculation that several US bases in Germany and also in Turkey were likely going to be repositioned to Poland, Hungary, and Romania. Possibly as soon as 2024.

Ah yes fleeing from democracies into the more autocratic countries of Eastern Europe. Shocker. Oh and lobbying for Russia to join G7 and making peace with North Korea while waging economic warfare on western democracies. Useful Idiots indeed.

[bootlegga]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

xerxes xerxes:

Which explains why Trump...alienated his allies.

They were never his allies.

Given that their friendship to the USA was conditioned on their choice of who we elected as President then they were never really America's allies either.

You're correct, they were never TRUMP's allies, they were your country's allies.

Support for the US from Europe and Canada may have waxed and waned over the past seventy years under different US presidents, but it wasn't until Trump that the G-7 got thrown under the bus and run over multiple times for 'national security reasons', while the US president campaigned for Russia to be re-admitted to the G-7 after annexing part of a neighbouring country as well as driving a wedge between the US and its allies.

[Thanos]

Didn't Reagan, for all his own policy flaws, lead the entire free world in justifiable condemnation of the Soviets shooting down KAL-007? And thirty years later here's Trump cheerleading for a killer like Putin with a "hey, what's the big deal anyway?" over the Russians shooting down that Malaysian plane over Ukraine, wanting the fucker responsible for all of the bloodshed over there re-admitted into the G7. There's your total ethical and moral collapse of the current American right-wing right there on display.

[llama66]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

llama66 llama66:

Nuclear thinking does not help, it'll only lead to other problems.

In a quickly changing world, it makes sense to think a few moves ahead.


This is Trump beaking off on Twitter again. He could make an about turn next week. Probably will.

Other issues are more significant--the US is moving to isolationism and is busy burning diplomatic bridges. How does a strong military power influence world events when it no longer has diplomacy as an option? By force. I think you'll see the US move to a war footing.

There UAS is, ideologically, probably more in line with Putin's Russia now than it is with the EU or the old Commonwealth. Thus Brah's admiration of Putin, and Bart's desire to move US power in Europe from Germany to Romania.

For those reasons, more than Trumps latest Twitfest, Canada needs to explore more radical foreign policy and international trade options.

Would the states invade and take parts of Canada a la Crimea?