[bootlegga]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

It's not just about hormones.

http://www.nmpf.org/latest-news/article ... trade-deal

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report- ... e34802291/

I agree, but it's the reason most Canadians prefer not drink American milk and why even if the American farmers could dump their crappy milk here, they likely wouldn't find much market for it.

[martin14]

Tricks Tricks:

what would happen if G7(6?) step it up and drop USD as reserve currency.

They would immediately go bankrupt, and their countries would collapse in a week.

Oh the US would follow a few days later, quite possibly after nuking Europe.

So how about we keep the topic away from the insanity button.


Interesting you mention it though, I read a thing a day or two ago
that Hungary was physically repatriating it's gold reserves. No reason given.
A couple of other Euro countries were doing it as well.

Of course, the first thing Trudeau did in office was sell off whatever gold reserves Canada
had left, so we have nothing to worry about from that point of view.

That's the kind of leadership we have in Canada.

[martin14]

bootlegga bootlegga:

I agree, but it's the reason most Canadians prefer not drink American milk and why even if the American farmers could dump their crappy milk here, they likely wouldn't find much market for it.

This is completely false.

Remember when the dollars were almost at par ?
Lots of cross border shopping, everyone buying stuff including milk.
The grocery stores even sold milk in gallon jugs wrapped in 2.
Because you can take 8 liters of milk back across on a day trip.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

peck420 peck420:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Hey, I'm not exactly thrilled with the stance Trump has taken but I'm also not willing to give Turd-boy in Ottawa a free pass just because he's Canada's PM. He and Freeland completely screwed the pooch on the NAFTA re-negotiations.

Incorrect.

Exactly correct.

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They acted like petulant children when Trump told them to shove their ideological nonsense and couldn't get their way and are now whining about Trump acting like a petulant child who isn't getting his way. Seriously, how the fuck are you not seeing it?

peck420 peck420:

Because I see it for what it is. Unlike you. It is a very tried and tested rebuttal to Trump's preferred negotiation tactic. Which, I am sure you have factored into your analysis.

It was no rebuttal! That was the initial position Trudeau and Freeland went into the re-negotiations with. How the fuck was it a rebuttal to Trump when that was Trudeau's opening and pretty much only gambit?? This is why politicians love people like you. Memories as long as a sound byte.

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Were you unaware of the initial bad faith position Trudeau took? Or are you simply a politician's favourite kind of voter? One with no memory.

peck420 peck420:

Bad faith from who's claim? A US entertainment company, or would that be from the opposite side's negotiating team?

Again, how about the Canadian media who initially reported on what were supposed to be NAFTA re-negotiations? It was they who suggested that Trudeau and Freeland weren't serious about re-negotiating because of appeals to the emotional they wanted to add into the trade agreement.

peck420 peck420:

Canada's official position (the only one that matters during the negotiations) has stayed consistent.

Yep, they want Trump and the US to swallow their ideological claptrap before they even talk about real business.

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Read the link I posted.

peck420 peck420:

Sorry, I flush when I am done with my tp. You should do the same. It is a compilation of what the adversary wants us to do, and you read it as gospel.

Just a rehash of what the Canadian media was saying but whatever. Gotta stay on-board that anti-Trump bandwagon I guess. Way to tacitly throw your support behind the ultra-privileged established political elite. You know, the ones that care so much about you until about 30 seconds after they get your vote.

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It's not a big deal to re-negotiate a trade agreement that's been in place for years. Things change over time and trade agreements need to change with them. But when you enter those re-negotiations from a bad faith position right off the hop, when you try to force your ideology onto another country via an existing trade agreement, you're obviously not serious about re-negotiating. Something the Canadian media was quite willing to criticize Trudeau for. It's funny too because when you go to search for Canadian media accounts of it now, they're f*cking buried in an avalanche of anti-Trump tirades by media outlets who suddenly forgot what a twit Trudeau is because their insatiable desire to push the anti-Trump narrative is just so much stronger.

peck420 peck420:

Only one player entered the NAFTA negotiations in bad faith, and it was not Trudeau.

You're right, there were two. Trudeau and Freeland. Trying to shove your virtue signaling bullshit down the other guy's throat as your starting point is not a position of good faith for re-negotiating an already existing trade agreement.

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I swear, Trump could personally cure cancer tomorrow and the bleating morons would decry the loss of jobs in cancer research.

peck420 peck420:

And Trump could start executing his trade people in public, and you would still be here to defend his virtues.

Not defending his virtues, pointing out both the hypocrisy of our media as well the hypocrisy and duplicity of Trudeau as well as pointing out the rampant Trump Derangement Syndrome.

peck420 peck420:

Not that it is likely, since he can't master a fake tan, but if Trump actually did something noble, I would sing his praises. I am just not naive enough to believe that a mob boss will turn into a saint.

No, but you're naive enough to believe that some twerp who's never busted his ass to do anything in his life is suddenly busting his ass for Canada and Canadians despite the 2 1/2 years of him taking "work" breaks between his taxpayer-paid vacations posing as trade missions and shit.

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Trudeau told reporters that imposing retaliatory measures “is not something I relish doing” but that he wouldn’t hesitate to do so because “I will always protect Canadian workers and Canadian interests.”

Except when it comes to the Chinese. Just more duplicity from the little Turd.[/quote]

peck420 peck420:

Each country has to be dealt with in the form that shows the highest efficacy. Since you are an expert, what is a medium sized, resource based economies efficacy in trade negotiations with China, utilizing a distributive negotiation tactic?

You do realize Trudeau tried his virtue signaling shtick with China in regards to trade as well, right? China basically told Trudeau to fuck off and Trudeau was fine with that. Still wants a trade agreement with China.

Trudeau and Freeland entered re-negotiations with every intent of making it about virtue signaling, not dealing with business. That could be a pretty dumb move for a new trade agreement, it's appallingly stupid for an existing one. It clearly demonstrates you're not serious about re-negotiating. I mean they could have done some actual work BEFORE-hand, checked out where the US has tariffs, subsidies and supply management and used that information as a starting point, instead of waiting until now to start whining about it.

Look, I'm not happy with Trump's stance at all. But there's a difference between not being happy and understanding WHY you're not.

Yes, I'm sure Trump is simply looking at things individually instead of the entire free-trade picture between our countries and seeing inequalities in them that favour only Canada. But if I was the leader of a country and one of our free-trade partners came to the re-negotiating table with an opener that's nothing but one big virtue signal and they won't budge on it, well, I'd probably be inclined to give them the ol' double digit salute as well.

If the US were run by a party of ultra god-wads and wanted to re-negotiate NAFTA by insisting on trying to force their ideological beliefs into the agreement as their unwavering opener, I'm pretty sure you'd expect our govt to tell them to "fuck off" as well.

[llama66]

I don't think we'll ever not need the United States. Hence why I referred to our trade as "symbiotic". We absolutely need each other. However we don't need the negative rhetoric, from either party.

What's needed is cooler heads. Rather then name call, why not seek compromise, reduce your tariff, and ask us to do the same, continue until there are no tariffs on most things.

Both nations win. Trump looks like smart president that got the tariffs reduces and Trudeau gets to look like he stuck to his guns and got concessions.

My (probable) last thought on the Dairy issue is think about demographics, Canada is about 1/10 the population of the United States, by sheer math alone opening Canada to US producers would kill alot of our agri industry.

[Coach85]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

If the US were run by a party of ultra god-wads and wanted to re-negotiate NAFTA by insisting on trying to force their ideological beliefs into the agreement as their unwavering opener, I'm pretty sure you'd expect our govt to tell them to "fuck off" as well.

What ideological beliefs did Canada want in the agreement?

[llama66]

1. A new chapter on labour standards

2.A new chapter on environmental standards

3.A new chapter on gender rights

4.A new chapter on Indigenous rights

5.Protect cultural exemptions

[BartSimpson]

martin14 martin14:

Tricks Tricks:

what would happen if G7(6?) step it up and drop USD as reserve currency.

They would immediately go bankrupt, and their countries would collapse in a week.

Oh the US would follow a few days later, quite possibly after nuking Europe.

So how about we keep the topic away from the insanity button.


Interesting you mention it though, I read a thing a day or two ago
that Hungary was physically repatriating it's gold reserves. No reason given.
A couple of other Euro countries were doing it as well.

Of course, the first thing Trudeau did in office was sell off whatever gold reserves Canada
had left, so we have nothing to worry about from that point of view.

That's the kind of leadership we have in Canada.

The G6 is welcome to drop the dollar as a reserve currency and then shift to the Euro if they wish.

The USA would respond by defunding the International Monetary Fund which has been a key mechanism for stabilizing the Euro absent the power of the UK Pound.

The Euro would go in the shitter pretty much overnight given that they have over €910 billion in bad debt that they can't collect from their member states.

The USA would take a hit, for sure, but then we'd redevelop our abundant resources and we'd probably come out of it just fine...maybe even stronger than before.

But the crisis would bring about the end of the Euro and probably the end of the EU.

Frankly, the move by many countries to use gold as a hedge is a smart move. I wish the USA would follow suit.

[llama66]

Nuclear thinking does not help, it'll only lead to other problems.

[Thanos]

llama66 llama66:

Nuclear thinking does not help, it'll only lead to other problems.

Sometimes it's the only option, no matter what pain it causes to us. As George C. Scott said at the beginning of Patton, just grab the son of a bitch by the nose and start kicking him in the ass as hard as you fucking can. And there is no one else on this planet right now who deserves a whirlwind of steel-toed boots going up his pathetic rectum as much as that bastard Trump does.

Take the pain, no matter how much it hurts, and gouge his goddamn eyeballs out even if he's stabbing us in the guts at the same time. It's the only way someone like that will ever learn to leave others alone. This fucker needs to be taken down the hard way.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

llama66 llama66:

Nuclear thinking does not help, it'll only lead to other problems.

Sometimes it's the only option, no matter what pain it causes to us. As George C. Scott said at the beginning of Patton, just grab the son of a bitch by the nose and start kicking him in the ass as hard as you fucking can. And there is no one else on this planet right now who deserves a whirlwind of steel-toed boots going up his pathetic rectum as much as that bastard Trump does.

Ironically, only the USA has a leader who's willing to grab the son of a bitch by the nose and start kicking him in the ass as hard as you fucking can.

IOW you need someone like Trump to stand up to someone like Trump...except that the two of them would likely just end up being best friends.

[xerxes]

Which explains why Trump sucks up to dictators around the world and alienated his allies.

[BartSimpson]

And as an example of why Canada's brilliant dairy controls are so wrong here's an example of someone smuggling in cheese from the USA because the profit margins are so fucking huge.

https://www.niagarafallsreview.ca/news- ... =hootsuite

tl;dr =

$1:

Cheese Case:

• A case of cheese that cost about $300 in Canada, could be purchased for about $200 in the U.S.

• More than $141,000 in product had been purchased.

• About $325,000 in duties had been evaded.

[BartSimpson]

xerxes xerxes:

Which explains why Trump...alienated his allies.

They were never his allies.

Given that their friendship to the USA was conditioned on their choice of who we elected as President then they were never really America's allies either.

[DrCaleb]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

You're looking at tariffs to protect your market and you're missing the real problem.

You need to be asking your politicians to make your markets more competitive and not just mask systemic problems with subsidies and tariffs.

I say that because Trump is systematically tearing apart layer after layer of leftist-sponsored regulations and tax schemes and the result has been unexpected economic growth as our industries rebound from what have been truly self-inflicted wounds.

You mean, like tariffs on Steel and Aluminum to try to revive an uncompetitive industry?