[BartSimpson]

llama66 llama66:

The president and his band of school yard bullies are in for a rude awakening if they think that's happening.

You mean you think DJT is a bully if he expects Canada to stop fucking over Canadian industries?

How's that work, exactly?

[Robair]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

llama66 llama66:

The government ended protection on goat dairy and we almost lost the farm because European goats milk was cheaper.

You're looking at tariffs to protect your market and you're missing the real problem.

You need to be asking why Canada has a business climate so bad that it's significantly cheaper to import a product from socialist Europe than it is to just use a similar domestic product?

Maybe you skipped my post.

CANADA CAN NOT MATCH THE LEVEL OF AG SUBSIDIES THE USA AND EUROPE DISH OUT.

It's not our system that is fucked, it's yours. Our system just prevents your fuckery from decimating our agriculture.

[llama66]

He's not. For your economic advisors to say shit like "there is a special circle of hell for..." and "he's a back stabber" and other nonsense, and then to have the audacity to demand an apology from OUR PM who is standing up for OUR industry, that's lunacy. Its the WH that needs to be apologising to us. This is beyond egregious.

DJT wants whats going to make HIM the most money. He doesn't give two shits about the average American. Its the same here, the difference is most Canadian see Trudeau as someone incapable of understanding the average non-special interest group person. This is reflected in the NAFTA renegotiation bullshittery.

If Trump truly cares he wouldn't be threatening all out trade war.

[Thanos]

Robair Robair:

Maybe you skipped my post.

CANADA CAN NOT MATCH THE LEVEL OF AG SUBSIDIES THE USA AND EUROPE DISH OUT.

It's not our system that is fucked, it's yours. Our system just prevents your fuckery from decimating our agriculture.

They aren't listening. They don't care that it makes all their crap about the blessed "free market" into even more of a lie than it already is almost all of the time. They will not give up their own crony capitalism and socialism for corporations, not even when it shows their entire two-faced Mammon-worshiping ideology to be the complete and total lie it's always been.

[peck420]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Hey, I'm not exactly thrilled with the stance Trump has taken but I'm also not willing to give Turd-boy in Ottawa a free pass just because he's Canada's PM. He and Freeland completely screwed the pooch on the NAFTA re-negotiations.

Incorrect.

$1:

They acted like petulant children when Trump told them to shove their ideological nonsense and couldn't get their way and are now whining about Trump acting like a petulant child who isn't getting his way. Seriously, how the fuck are you not seeing it?

Because I see it for what it is. Unlike you. It is a very tried and tested rebuttal to Trump's preferred negotiation tactic. Which, I am sure you have factored into your analysis.

$1:

Were you unaware of the initial bad faith position Trudeau took? Or are you simply a politician's favourite kind of voter? One with no memory.

Bad faith from who's claim? A US entertainment company, or would that be from the opposite side's negotiating team?

Canada's official position (the only one that matters during the negotiations) has stayed consistent.

$1:

Read the link I posted.

Sorry, I flush when I am done with my tp. You should do the same. It is a compilation of what the adversary wants us to do, and you read it as gospel.

$1:

It's not a big deal to re-negotiate a trade agreement that's been in place for years. Things change over time and trade agreements need to change with them. But when you enter those re-negotiations from a bad faith position right off the hop, when you try to force your ideology onto another country via an existing trade agreement, you're obviously not serious about re-negotiating. Something the Canadian media was quite willing to criticize Trudeau for. It's funny too because when you go to search for Canadian media accounts of it now, they're f*cking buried in an avalanche of anti-Trump tirades by media outlets who suddenly forgot what a twit Trudeau is because their insatiable desire to push the anti-Trump narrative is just so much stronger.

Only one player entered the NAFTA negotiations in bad faith, and it was not Trudeau.

$1:

I swear, Trump could personally cure cancer tomorrow and the bleating morons would decry the loss of jobs in cancer research.

And Trump could start executing his trade people in public, and you would still be here to defend his virtues.

Not that it is likely, since he can't master a fake tan, but if Trump actually did something noble, I would sing his praises. I am just not naive enough to believe that a mob boss will turn into a saint.

$1:

Trudeau told reporters that imposing retaliatory measures “is not something I relish doing” but that he wouldn’t hesitate to do so because “I will always protect Canadian workers and Canadian interests.”

Except when it comes to the Chinese. Just more duplicity from the little Turd.[/quote]
Each country has to be dealt with in the form that shows the highest efficacy. Since you are an expert, what is a medium sized, resource based economies efficacy in trade negotiations with China, utilizing a distributive negotiation tactic?

[Thanos]

llama66 llama66:

He's not. For your economic advisors to say shit like "there is a special circle of hell for..." and "he's a back stabber" and other nonsense, and then to have the audacity to demand an apology from OUR PM who is standing up for OUR industry, that's lunacy. Its the WH that needs to be apologising to us. This is beyond egregious.

DJT wants whats going to make HIM the most money. He doesn't give two shits about the average American. Its the same here, the difference is most Canadian see Trudeau as someone incapable of understanding the average non-special interest group person. This is reflected in the NAFTA renegotiation bullshittery.

If Trump truly cares he wouldn't be threatening all out trade war.

+5000000 if I was still in the business of giving out rep points. This is war. Stand with your own, like you and I and most of the rest of us here are doing, or forever be damned as the most disgusting of traitors.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

llama66 llama66:

He's not. For your economic advisors to say shit like "there is a special circle of hell for..." and "he's a back stabber" and other nonsense, and then to have the audacity to demand an apology from OUR PM who is standing up for OUR industry, that's lunacy. Its the WH that needs to be apologising to us. This is beyond egregious.

DJT wants whats going to make HIM the most money. He doesn't give two shits about the average American. Its the same here, the difference is most Canadian see Trudeau as someone incapable of understanding the average non-special interest group person. This is reflected in the NAFTA renegotiation bullshittery.

If Trump truly cares he wouldn't be threatening all out trade war.

+5000000 if I was still in the business of giving out rep points. This is war. Stand with your own, like you and I and most of the rest of us here are doing, or forever be damned as the most disgusting of traitors.

I can't do +5000000 but I did manage +5 for you. You're welcome.

[BartSimpson]

llama66 llama66:

If Trump truly cares he wouldn't be threatening all out trade war.

He does care and when he first discussed trade during the campaign the response was to ridicule the man and make speeches opposing him.

Then when he reopened trade discussions the response was to ridicule the man and make speeches opposing him.

Now we're looking at cessation of entire segments of trade because that's what it takes to get the attention of the same people who just wasted the G7 summit blathering on about the goddamned climate crap instead of focusing on the topics that are supposed to be front and center for the G7: economics and defense.

Keep in mind that in any trade war we win because at the very least we will keep our money at home and we will see jobs coming back. For us it will be a net gain. For Canada, not so much.

But hey, Canada can always try to see how far you folks can get trading with China and the EU, right?

I've been on this site for thirteen years now and can't even begin to count how many times I've been told that Canada doesn't need the USA.

Well, now the folks who liked to say this just might get their chance to prove it.

[bootlegga]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Here's a radical suggestion: Mirror our regulations on the dairy industry to reduce costs to your own so they're competitive with ours. Then they won't need to be protected.

Right after you remove RBST from American dairy...



More info here:

https://albertamilk.com/ask-dairy-farme ... the-assum/

[BartSimpson]

It's not just about hormones.

http://www.nmpf.org/latest-news/article ... trade-deal

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report- ... e34802291/

[bootlegga]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

We'll run things our way, thank you very much.

And we'll do the same, thank you very much. Feel free to sell your goods to countries that protect their markets every bit as aggressively as you do.

Oh, and prepare to pay tariffs on the oil and agricultural goods that you export to South America via the ports on the US Gulf coast...because they're going to be hit, too.

Go right ahead and slap tariffs on dairy products, and we'll almost certainly reciprocate and then I'm sure you'll see your exports to Canada drop (Canada was your 3rd largest export market in 2017):

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Read that last bit carefully because it also means we'll be imposing tariffs on the oil that you send to us to refine and then reship back to Canada. You might want to build some more refineries pipelines ASAP.

FTFY - we need pipelines, not refineries. Alberta alone can supply western Canada as long as there is a safe way to get our refined products to their intended markets. Had Energy East gone through, we could have supplied a big chunk of central Canada's needs too.

[martin14]

peck420 peck420:

$1:

Read the link I posted.

Sorry, I flush when I am done with my tp. You should do the same. It is a compilation of what the adversary wants us to do, and you read it as gospel.

So you admit you cannot be bothered to educate yourself, and continue to remain
an ignorant hack.

So you only have yourself to blame.

[Thanos]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Thanos Thanos:

+5000000 if I was still in the business of giving out rep points. This is war. Stand with your own, like you and I and most of the rest of us here are doing, or forever be damned as the most disgusting of traitors.

I can't do +5000000 but I did manage +5 for you. You're welcome.

You wouldn't be using smilies if you knew what I'd like to do jihadi-style to that son of a bitch you voted for if I was able to get close enough to him. And, no, I don't give a fuck if the RCMP, CSIS, or the Secret Service are monitoring these boards. Needless to say it would involve Paul Ryan getting a promotion he doesn't deserve because there wouldn't be a piece of any Cabinet member bigger than a postage stamp remaining to take over the fucking job.

I hated Trump before. What I feel for him today is indescribable. And, no, I DO NOT CARE what anyone fucking thinks of that. At this point it would be no different to me at all than doing the time-travel hypothetical and emptying a full magazine into Hitler's head in 1934. This is what real genuine HATRED for an evil man looks like and too fucking bad for anyone who doesn't like it.

[bootlegga]

Thanos Thanos:

llama66 llama66:

We open our dairy and agriculture to US markets it will affect thousands of family farms across Canada.

They don't care in the slightest. They want to do to Canada what they did to Mexico after NAFTA was first signed, in that the Mexican agricultural economy was effectively destroyed because it couldn't compete with the massively-subsidized American farm products that suddenly flooded Mexico. If they can't destroy a country militarily, as they did to Vietnam and Iraq, they'll do it economically. And that's either through the loud boisterous way they did to the Cubans for the unforgivable "crime" of kicking the Mafia out of their country, or they'll do it the quiet way through a one-sided trade deal like the one that victimized Mexico. And on top of it they're such a bunch of fucking snowflakes that they'll endlessly spout how they're the "real victims" in all of this.

As Mr. Takagi said in Die Hard, "Pearl Harbor didn't work out so we got you with tape decks."

The USA uses economic warfare quite often, and given the size of their economy, it has worked very effectively over the past six decades. The problem is going forward that their slice of the pie is shrinking and as time goes on, it will be less and less effective.

[Tricks]

Thanos Thanos:

llama66 llama66:

He's not. For your economic advisors to say shit like "there is a special circle of hell for..." and "he's a back stabber" and other nonsense, and then to have the audacity to demand an apology from OUR PM who is standing up for OUR industry, that's lunacy. Its the WH that needs to be apologising to us. This is beyond egregious.

DJT wants whats going to make HIM the most money. He doesn't give two shits about the average American. Its the same here, the difference is most Canadian see Trudeau as someone incapable of understanding the average non-special interest group person. This is reflected in the NAFTA renegotiation bullshittery.

If Trump truly cares he wouldn't be threatening all out trade war.

+5000000 if I was still in the business of giving out rep points. This is war. Stand with your own, like you and I and most of the rest of us here are doing, or forever be damned as the most disgusting of traitors.

what would happen if G7(6?) step it up and drop USD as reserve currency.