[andyt]

Yogi Yogi:

andyt andyt:

Yogi - they paid the bulk of the taxes that built those schools for your kids, the roads you used to drive them there, the hospitals you took them to etc. My point is that no man is an island. You didn't carve out your homestead out of the wilderness and support your family off that.

And I, in turn, am helping pay for new roads and new schools, and new hospitals. As it should be. What I don't understand is subsidizing families, who WANT to live beyond their means and don't want to earn and save, while living within their means.

I don't agree with this tax benefit either - it's just a sop to the socially conservative CPC base. But you talked about why you should pay school taxes, etc earlier. That's more what I was driving at.

[Yogi]

andyt andyt:

Yogi Yogi:

andyt andyt:

Yogi - they paid the bulk of the taxes that built those schools for your kids, the roads you used to drive them there, the hospitals you took them to etc. My point is that no man is an island. You didn't carve out your homestead out of the wilderness and support your family off that.

And I, in turn, am helping pay for new roads and new schools, and new hospitals. As it should be. What I don't understand is subsidizing families, who WANT to live beyond their means and don't want to earn and save, while living within their means.

I don't agree with this tax benefit either - it's just a sop to the socially conservative CPC base. But you talked about why you should pay school taxes, etc earlier. That's more what I was driving at.

I went back and looked for such a reference, but didn't find any!

I have been, I thought, very clear about subsidising daycare for parents so that they end up with more disposable income.

[Brenda]

Yogi Yogi:

I went back and looked for such a reference, but didn't find any!

I have been, I thought, very clear about subsidising daycare for parents so that they end up with more disposable income.

That they will spend on you, because the floor they laid last year is not "hot" anymore

[Yogi]

Brenda Brenda:

Yogi Yogi:

I went back and looked for such a reference, but didn't find any!

I have been, I thought, very clear about subsidising daycare for parents so that they end up with more disposable income.

That they will spend on you, because the floor they laid last year is not "hot" anymore

I'd be OK with that if they just GAVE it to me without me having to work for it!

[andyt]

Yogi Yogi:

I went back and looked for such a reference, but didn't find any!

I have been, I thought, very clear about subsidising daycare for parents so that they end up with more disposable income.

Oh. Well this tax credit isn't about that either. I think a national daycare program is a good idea. Seems to work well in Finland. People are going to use daycare no matter what - they just can't make it with only one person working. A lot of that has to do with wanting to buy a house - still the dream. No way most families with one income can afford that. I think providing quality daycare is a better alternative to parents finding some skeezy person to do it.

[Brenda]

Yogi Yogi:

Brenda Brenda:

Yogi Yogi:

I went back and looked for such a reference, but didn't find any!

I have been, I thought, very clear about subsidising daycare for parents so that they end up with more disposable income.

That they will spend on you, because the floor they laid last year is not "hot" anymore

I'd be OK with that if they just GAVE it to me without me having to work for it!

You don't pay for your healthcare, right?

[Yogi]

The best daycare is a parent. And Yes, it can be done. Parents have to get back to the basics, make some sacrifices, and work their asses off....if that's what their situation requires.

[Freakinoldguy]

andyt andyt:

Yogi Yogi:

I went back and looked for such a reference, but didn't find any!

I have been, I thought, very clear about subsidising daycare for parents so that they end up with more disposable income.

Oh. Well this tax credit isn't about that either. I think a national daycare program is a good idea. Seems to work well in Finland. People are going to use daycare no matter what - they just can't make it with only one person working. A lot of that has to do with wanting to buy a house - still the dream. No way most families with one income can afford that. I think providing quality daycare is a better alternative to parents finding some skeezy person to do it.

You hit the nail on the head, when you came out with the statement "they just can't make it with only one person working".

So, in essence the child care program is actually a tax break for corporations and businesses. If familes didn't require two incomes to make ends meet one of the parents could stay home and raise the kids, hence no need for child care.

Kind of like the fifties and sixties before the feminist movement screwed up the status quo and gave these businesses an excuse to have both parents work, just to support their family.

But, since no corporation or business are going to revert to the good old days and cut their profit margin or their CEO's bonus' by paying one person a living wage, nothing will change and the taxpayers will end up paying for child care in one form or another, which, will continue to subsidize these companies profit margins.

Kind of disgusting when you think about it, isn't it?

[OnTheIce]

andyt andyt:

Yogi Yogi:

I went back and looked for such a reference, but didn't find any!

I have been, I thought, very clear about subsidising daycare for parents so that they end up with more disposable income.

Oh. Well this tax credit isn't about that either. I think a national daycare program is a good idea. Seems to work well in Finland. People are going to use daycare no matter what - they just can't make it with only one person working. A lot of that has to do with wanting to buy a house - still the dream. No way most families with one income can afford that. I think providing quality daycare is a better alternative to parents finding some skeezy person to do it.

Clearly you don't have children.

I don't want you or anyone else telling me where I should have my kids in daycare. That's not your responsibility.

When you opt to put your child in a home daycare or private centre, you have the option to interview that person. When it comes to institutional care, you get a lot of bottom feeders working in the centre. Many of these places are run-down, fire traps full of semi-qualified staff.

FWIW, my wife was a previous supervisor of a private daycare and now runs her own business from our home. National Daycare is NOT the answer for Canadian families.

[Yogi]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

andyt andyt:

Yogi Yogi:

I went back and looked for such a reference, but didn't find any!

I have been, I thought, very clear about subsidising daycare for parents so that they end up with more disposable income.

Oh. Well this tax credit isn't about that either. I think a national daycare program is a good idea. Seems to work well in Finland. People are going to use daycare no matter what - they just can't make it with only one person working. A lot of that has to do with wanting to buy a house - still the dream. No way most families with one income can afford that. I think providing quality daycare is a better alternative to parents finding some skeezy person to do it.

Clearly you don't have children.

I don't want you or anyone else telling me where I should have my kids in daycare. That's not your responsibility.

When you opt to put your child in a home daycare or private centre, you have the option to interview that person. When it comes to institutional care, you get a lot of bottom feeders working in the centre. Many of these places are run-down, fire traps full of semi-qualified staff.

FWIW, my wife was a previous supervisor of a private daycare and now runs her own business from our home. National Daycare is NOT the answer for Canadian families.

Ummm. Both of my kids are registered members here on CKA!

I'm in COMPLETE agreement with you, on parents placing their children where ever they think is best, when it comes to daycare. As long as they (you) can pay for it and don't expect me (taxpayers) to!
Of course, it's not my responsibility to decide what daycare situation your child is placed inJust 'my responsibility' to help pay for it, eh!

[Brenda]

That comment was meant for Andy, Yog...

It is not my responsibility to decide what type of smokes you smoke, it is just my responsibility to pay for your cancer treatment, while MY kids, who went to daycare so I could save up for their Uni tuition, can give you chemo, cut you open and remove part of your lung, because they are the oncologists and surgeons.

[Yogi]

Brenda Brenda:

That comment was meant for Andy, Yog...

It is not my responsibility to decide what type of smokes you smoke, it is just my responsibility to pay for your cancer treatment, while MY kids, who went to daycare so I could save up for their Uni tuition, can give you chemo, cut you open and remove part of your lung, because they are the oncologists and surgeons.

^^oh...welll...

Healthcare and subsidized daycare are two totally different issues. But, for the hell of it, here's my .02 worth. We should be paying for healthcare, I myself, as a smoker,should have to go to the back of the line for related treatment, for 'wilful' neglect'!)
EDIT: But then again,you chose to have kids, I chose to smoke. $$$ wise, what's the dif?


Basic/preventative dental should also be covered under healthcare, for all *Canadian citizens*.(* Sorry B )

[Brenda]

Ass



Then again, the principle of subsidized healthcare and subsidized childcare is the same. We all pay for it, while some use it, and some don't. C'est la vie!

[bootlegga]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Yogi Yogi:

All $6.00 per child. You bet I enjoyed it. Why, I was able to buy 6 boxes of beer with that!

And let's not mention that families get a lot more than $6.00 per kid, as well as the babysitter subsidy!

What parents of 'my generation' viewed as a 'social safety-net' has become, for todays parents,a trampoline!

Perhaps you should stick to a generation of parenting that you were actually involved in, not just your perception of what you see today.

Solid comments in this thread - I'd rep if I could.

[andyt]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

But, since no corporation or business are going to revert to the good old days and cut their profit margin or their CEO's bonus' by paying one person a living wage, nothing will change and the taxpayers will end up paying for child care in one form or another, which, will continue to subsidize these companies profit margins.

Kind of disgusting when you think about it, isn't it?

OMG, you didn't. You didn't just write living wage, did you? That's commie talk that I get nothing but shit for. Don't go there, it will ruin any conservative cred you might have.

But I don't think it's that simple either. Most women want to work, at least most of the time. And the living wages required to allow a family to buy a home in the Vancouver area on one salary would pretty well ruin most companies. I don't think we'll ever see those days again. Well not till humanity collapses, the remnants go back to hunting and gathering and women pack their kids around on their backs whil they go about their work.