[uwish]

perhaps math isn't your thing, not the first time and likely won't the last time.

[DrCaleb]

Insults don't win arguments either. By convention, they actually lose them.

[uwish]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Insults don't win arguments either. By convention, they actually lose them.

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Perhaps logical argument isn't for you.

just pointing to the facts, and how is my comment any more of a insult than yours?

it's okay to be poor at math...I don't judge but please don't sit there and dish out the very same thing you argue against. Don't worry as long as you get a calculator from now on, you won't get schooled as easily and look so foolish.

[stratos]

To try and get this back on track. About a year ago I seen a blip about NY and the top % of the rich every time they raised the Taxes on the top % (Rich) they same people would just move out of state. Not only did they lose the extra tax revenue they thought they were going to get the lost the tax revenue that they were getting from the top %.

[DrCaleb]

uwish uwish:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Insults don't win arguments either. By convention, they actually lose them.

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Perhaps logical argument isn't for you.

just pointing to the facts, and how is my comment any more of a insult than yours?

If you took my suggestion as an insult, you must indeed have a very fragile soul, as Dave Chappelle calls it. You don't seem to be able to handle the basics of this very old form of communication. So perhaps it isn't for you.

uwish uwish:

it's okay to be poor at math...I don't judge but please don't sit there and dish out the very same thing you argue against. Don't worry as long as you get a calculator from now on, you won't get schooled as easily and look so foolish.

Speaking of bad at something, I'm still waiting for you to show me where this monster argument of yours is that bested me with my poor math skills. From what I can tell, you still have yet to state an argument, let alone defend it.

Perhaps logical debate is not for you. And that isn't meant as an insult, as your math comments were. Some people aren't meant to be opera singers, some weren't meant to practice law. Others can't seem to focus on one thing long enough to write down what they mean. There is no shame in it.

[uwish]

There is no disagreement from me that the rich have expensive lawyers etc and hide investment money. I know here in Alberta after the provincial tax was changed to a 'regressive' system from a flat rate, there was many stories of influential philanthropist leaving the province.

[uwish]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

uwish uwish:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Insults don't win arguments either. By convention, they actually lose them.

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Perhaps logical argument isn't for you.

just pointing to the facts, and how is my comment any more of a insult than yours?

If you took my suggestion as an insult, you must indeed have a very fragile soul, as Dave Chappelle calls it. You don't seem to be able to handle the basics of this very old form of communication. So perhaps it isn't for you.

uwish uwish:

it's okay to be poor at math...I don't judge but please don't sit there and dish out the very same thing you argue against. Don't worry as long as you get a calculator from now on, you won't get schooled as easily and look so foolish.

Speaking of bad at something, I'm still waiting for you to show me where this monster argument of yours is that bested me with my poor math skills. From what I can tell, you still have yet to state an argument, let alone defend it.

Perhaps logical debate is not for you. And that isn't meant as an insult, as your math comments were. Some people aren't meant to be opera singers, some weren't meant to practice law. Others can't seem to focus on one thing long enough to write down what they mean. There is no shame in it.

I have nothing to be ashamed about, let others comment. There is no need to be embarrassed. I am not fragile in the least I was clearly responding to your own 'comment' that you labeled as insulting. You brought it up not me...apparently you thought my suggestion was an insult, so it appears your the fragile one. Need some bubble wrap?

[DrCaleb]

stratos stratos:

To try and get this back on track. About a year ago I seen a blip about NY and the top % of the rich every time they raised the Taxes on the top % (Rich) they same people would just move out of state. Not only did they lose the extra tax revenue they thought they were going to get the lost the tax revenue that they were getting from the top %.

Kansas tried to do the Neocon thing, and drop taxes across the board. Now they don't have enough revenue to maintain many State operations.

The charts I posted show the top percentile earners pay the least taxes compared to the rest. If they leave the jurisdiction, it is a much less effect than dropping taxes broadly. Besides, as the panama papers showed us, the very wealthy already have their money outside most jurisdictions.

[uwish]

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1110005501&pickMembers%5B0%5D=1.1&pickMembers%5B1%5D=3.1

source of the chart, that chart DOES NOT show the amount they pay in tax just the representation of the total from their income level. (for the second time now doc)

it clearly shows median and average income for the top 0.01% around 4.1 to 5.5 Million and their income tax paid is 1.7 to 2.1 Million paid.

again you NEED A CALCULATOR. That is ~40% in TAX.

As I said your own chart from your own data schooled your idea that the uber rich do not pay their share or even 40%, clearly they DO!

you really enjoy making yourself look foolish

[uwish]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

do you know how many min wage jobs it would take to replace the taxes paid by a millionaire?

One. Two, maybe.

And when did you do that?

Quote yourself showing me that Millionaires pay 40% of their income, like minimum wage earners do. The chart I posted show they pay roughly 15%, so two of them would pay 30%, nearly what a burger jockey would.

Perhaps logical argument isn't for you.

oooo how embarrassing...

[DrCaleb]

uwish uwish:

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1110005501&pickMembers%5B0%5D=1.1&pickMembers%5B1%5D=3.1

source of the chart, that chart DOES NOT show the amount they pay in tax just the representation of the total from their income level. (for the second time now doc)

it clearly shows median and average income for the top 0.01% around 4.1 to 5.5 Million and their income tax paid is 1.7 to 2.1 Million paid.

again you NEED A CALCULATOR. That is ~40% in TAX.

As I said your own chart from your own data schooled your idea that the uber rich do not pay their share or even 40%, clearly they DO!

you really enjoy making yourself look foolish

Since when are millionaires the top .01% of earners? And the chart does not give income paid, so where do you get those numbers? You even say is does not show the amount they paid in your first sentence. The table clearly shows the top .01% giving an effective 1.1% of total income to federal revenue in 2017. So where is my bad math?

Also, your link goes nowhere. Here it is again:

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-q ... 01-eng.htm

The top 1%, ie: millionaires, is the center column of the chart, and never exceeds 12.1% in any year.

[llama66]

[uwish]

just going by the stats can website you provided. link works just fine...if not you can select top 0.01 at the pull down tab. Try the chart source fool...you can click on the link at the bottom of the chart where the sourcing data is provided.


you are reading the chart incorrectly as usual. (for the 4th time)

https://ibb.co/mvjmhG4

right from the source of the graph you posted. Top 0.01 income group with Median and Average income and median and average income tax paid...

The source data for that chart link works just fine it clearly outlines what threshold is used to determine the top percentage value and then shows the income and average income tax paid. The chart you like to reference is sourced FROM THIS DATA and you are NOT reading it correctly it does NOT represent the AMOUNT of tax they pay only the portion of tax FROM THEIR TAX BRACKET as compared to the top 10% Clearly you can't read well hence the CAPS!

QED

again get a calculator.

[uwish]

stratos stratos:

To try and get this back on track. About a year ago I seen a blip about NY and the top % of the rich every time they raised the Taxes on the top % (Rich) they same people would just move out of state. Not only did they lose the extra tax revenue they thought they were going to get the lost the tax revenue that they were getting from the top %.

I am trying..but I just can't stand people who can't count! Anyone can goto the chart source and divide their tax paid by their income and see it's ~ 40%

[BartSimpson]

Just a note:

A "millionaire" is anyone who has a net worth of over one million dollars.

That does not necessarily include every person whose annual gross income exceeds one million dollars because taxes reduce their incomes to under one million dollars or because their debts exceed their assets.

My wife and I are "millionaires" in terms of our assets but our net annual income combined is far less than one million dollars.