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Title: Stephen Harper: Canadians expect provinces to help federal government fight crime | News | National Post
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: Gunnair
Date: 2011-11-06 11:35:43
Canadian

[Gunnair]

Lot's of people dropping the gloves to dance. This will be interesting to watch.

[CDN_PATRIOT]

Harper is right. The provinces should be working in concert with the federal government. We're all in this together. Let's keep Canada safe.

-J.

[jeff744]

CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:

Harper is right. The provinces should be working in concert with the federal government. We're all in this together. Let's keep Canada safe.

-J.

The issue is when it is a crime bill even the Americans say is too harsh and will drastically increase the costs of our justice system. The provinces that already have trouble balancing their budget are going to need more federal money, which will mean the federal government will need to increase the amount of money it siphons from provinces that do have money to support them.

Harper needs to check if we can actually afford something before he opens his big mouth and promises things we can't afford. Harper is exactly like the people that just got their houses foreclosed on, he is trying to bring Canada out of the life it can afford.

[CDN_PATRIOT]

jeff744 jeff744:

CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:

Harper is right. The provinces should be working in concert with the federal government. We're all in this together. Let's keep Canada safe.

-J.

The issue is when it is a crime bill even the Americans say is too harsh and will drastically increase the costs of our justice system. The provinces that already have trouble balancing their budget are going to need more federal money, which will mean the federal government will need to increase the amount of money it siphons from provinces that do have money to support them.

Harper needs to check if we can actually afford something before he opens his big mouth and promises things we can't afford. Harper is exactly like the people that just got their houses foreclosed on, he is trying to bring Canada out of the life it can afford.

As opposed to the previous Liberal governments that were too busy siphoning money to their friends to give a damn about the people and produce a crime strategy at that time.

I'd rather have a prime minister that actually does something, rather than nothing.

-J.

[jeff744]

CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:

jeff744 jeff744:

CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:

Harper is right. The provinces should be working in concert with the federal government. We're all in this together. Let's keep Canada safe.

-J.

The issue is when it is a crime bill even the Americans say is too harsh and will drastically increase the costs of our justice system. The provinces that already have trouble balancing their budget are going to need more federal money, which will mean the federal government will need to increase the amount of money it siphons from provinces that do have money to support them.

Harper needs to check if we can actually afford something before he opens his big mouth and promises things we can't afford. Harper is exactly like the people that just got their houses foreclosed on, he is trying to bring Canada out of the life it can afford.

As opposed to the previous Liberal governments that were too busy siphoning money to their friends to give a damn about the people and produce a crime strategy at that time.

I'd rather have a prime minister that actually does something, rather than nothing.

-J.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....oh, you're serious. In G20 Harper managed to spend millions of dollars on "improvements" that had absolutely no impact on G20, they would never even be close enough to see them. Conveniently he managed to control his spending enough that only Con MP ridings got that funding.

The previous liberals managed to balance a deficit that had tripled our national debt, all Harper has done is try to beat Mulroney's record. The Liberals managed to produce a lot of changes in their time, you should be thanking them for the fact that we weathered the recession as well as we did, though I see Harper has claimed credit for that too.

[Gunnair]

CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:

jeff744 jeff744:

CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:

Harper is right. The provinces should be working in concert with the federal government. We're all in this together. Let's keep Canada safe.

-J.

The issue is when it is a crime bill even the Americans say is too harsh and will drastically increase the costs of our justice system. The provinces that already have trouble balancing their budget are going to need more federal money, which will mean the federal government will need to increase the amount of money it siphons from provinces that do have money to support them.

Harper needs to check if we can actually afford something before he opens his big mouth and promises things we can't afford. Harper is exactly like the people that just got their houses foreclosed on, he is trying to bring Canada out of the life it can afford.

As opposed to the previous Liberal governments that were too busy siphoning money to their friends to give a damn about the people and produce a crime strategy at that time.

I'd rather have a prime minister that actually does something, rather than nothing.

-J.

That's ridiculous. The fact is, although I support some of what the CPC is doing with this crime bill, there is a lot I do not. If safe streets were indeed the case, legalizing pot will be a first step towards reducing some of the violence and illegal activity. Building more amazingly expensive prisons is ungood as well I (unless of course we're talking tents and razor wire - wish we were)

This has nothing to do with the Liberals and falling back onto that bit of partisan hackery means you have nothing of more substance.

I would hope a 'thinker' such as yourself has something more to offer.

[Wada]

Don't know what Canada Mr. Harper lives in but I feel comfortably safe in my Canada and always have.

[eureka]

As opposed to the previous Liberal governments that were too busy siphoning money to their friends to give a damn about the people and produce a crime strategy at that time.

I'd rather have a prime minister that actually does something, rather than nothing.

-J.[/quote]

The Youth Criminal Justice Act was not doing something?

It was the most carefully thought out change to the Criminal Justice system in a couple of generations, taking several years of research, consultation and all Party discussion before being implemented in 2003 by the Liberals.And it has been quite successful.

It is that work that Harper now proposes to throw away: and the money spent on it.

Harper and his underlings want to replace the emphasis on restitutional justice and rehabilitation with simple retribution and incarceration.

This is a short summary of the changes that the YCJA brought and that the CPC wants to throw out.

Overview of the Youth Criminal Justice Act

The new legislation attempted to balance the legalistic framework of the Young Offenders Act and the social-needs approach underlying the Juvenile Delinquents Act. This goal is apparent in the Declaration of Principle, which states: “the purpose of the youth criminal justice system is to prevent crime by addressing the circumstances underlying a young person’s offending behaviour, rehabilitate young persons who commit offences and reintegrate them back into society, and ensure that a young person is subject to meaningful consequences for his or her offences, in order to promote the long-term protection of the public."

The Youth Criminal Justice Act differs from the Young Offenders Act in several ways:

It contains a statement of principle that removes any uncertainty about how the Act should be interpreted, and expresses the philosophy that the needs of society and the offender are not in conflict;
It increases the number of extrajudicial measures available such as police warnings, referral to restorative justice agencies in which the offender must face his/her victim and the victim's family, and deferred custody orders, whereby a young person can avoid incarceration by showing good behaviour;
It reintroduces the concept of Youth Justice Committees, last used under the JDA. Made up of groups of citizens, the committee's purpose is to develop community-based solutions to youth offences. These can include extrajudicial measures such as restitution, arranging community support for the youth, or arranging a meeting between the victim and the young offender;
It establishes that the court process is reserved for more serious offences. Police must consider all other options, such as a warning or making restitution, before laying charges;
It clarifies the conditions for sentencing youth into custody; and
It makes provisions for reintegrating youth in custody back into society. The Act introduces a graduated sentence, where youth spend two-thirds of their time in custody, and one-third in the community under supervision.

In addition, the Act makes substantive changes to the current system for sentencing youth as adults. First, youth will no longer be transferred to adult court. Instead, youth court judges have the authority to impose adult sentences. Second, the legislation lowers the age for sentencing youth as adults. Under the amended Young Offenders Act, there was a presumption that cases involving youth aged 16 or over charged with murder, attempted murder, manslaughter, or aggravated sexual assault would be transferred to adult court. The Youth Criminal Justice Act lowers the age of presumption to 14; however, individual provinces can raise the age to 15 or 16. Furthermore, in addition to the offences mentioned above, judges can hand out adult sentences to repeat serious offenders. However, the Act places more emphasis on treatment for violent young offenders than the Young Offender Act, believing that rehabilitating them is in the best interests of both the offender and society.

[Gunnair]

Wada Wada:

Don't know what Canada Mr. Harper lives in but I feel comfortably safe in my Canada and always have.

Unless you've lived everywhere in Canada, your point is meanlingless. There are many places that are not quite so safe as others.

[Wada]

Ottawa?

[Gunnair]

Wada Wada:

Ottawa?

Parts of Vancouver to begin with.

[Wada]

Go on, one of the world largest seaports. Who'd of thought it. This piece of paper going to make you all safe is it?

[Gunnair]

Wada Wada:

Go on, one of the world largest seaports. Who'd of thought it. This piece of paper going to make you all safe is it?

Nope. What comes from that piece of paper will help.

Lost on a little whiner such as yourself though.

[Wada]

"Nope. What comes from that piece of paper will help."

When you've made up your mind let me know.