[Thanos]

Golly, it looks like full surrender took less than half a day.

http://gawker.com/newspapers-are-pixela ... 1678039975



Maybe in the existential sense these kinds of Muslims deserve to win it all at the end, if for nothing more than (whatever else they are) at least they aren't cowards.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

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A set of Muslim teachings called hadith forbid visual representations of Mohammad. The same teachings also prohibit artistic representations of living beings.

A bowel movement would be an appropriate artistic representation of that idiotic bit of dogma.

[DrCaleb]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

$1:

A set of Muslim teachings called hadith forbid visual representations of Mohammad. The same teachings also prohibit artistic representations of living beings.

A bowel movement would be an appropriate artistic representation of that idiotic bit of dogma.

I believe the Koran also teaches that nothing can cause the true believer harm, including silly little drawings.

[Zipperfish]

Praxius Praxius:

Meh, I'm not excusing any of their actions by any means, but seriously, is anybody surprised?

A + B = C

A - Post images of a religious figure head which everybody knows greatly offends those who follow said religion.

B - The extremists and most moderates express their outrage and all extremists of said religion threaten to take violent action against those who offended them... Yet those who did continue to do so anyways.

C - The extremists take Violent Action.

*slaps cheek in surprise*

Wow didn't expect that.

Now again, I am not defending these extremist turd nuggets for their actions, nor am I going to say these guys who posted the images shouldn't express their freedom of expression, but I am also not going to shed sympathy over the whole matter for either side.

Freedom of speech and Freedom of expression does not equate to freedom of consequence... More importantly, while one can only hope, the reality is that you can not blindly expect people to leave you alone based on your opinions, actions or expressions.

Why?

Because many people in the world are small minded idiots who don't understand how to deal with a problem without resorting to violence. When you know who these people are and know very well they react with physical violence when provoked... And you provoke them anyways again and again, you have your own special role in creating the problem in the first place.

Now when I said freedom of speech/expression doesn't equate to freedom from consequence, the consequences vary. I can express my opinion and views and while I can do that publicly, I can have the consequence of others no longer wanting to deal with me. If I go to a privately run business and freely express my opinion that the owner is a complete tool and throw out all kinds of insults and offenses, would I not face the possible consequence of that business/owner refusing to provide me with their services?

When we express ourselves we face consequences for our actions every single time. It can range widely with consequences, from someone no longer liking you or wanting to deal with you, to possible jail time depending on the situation.

While we call it Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Expression, let us get down to the bare facts:

There was never such a thing as absolute freedom of speech or expression. Look up the laws, even the original laws when these so-called freedoms were created and you will see that there have always been certain limitations and restrictions.

Now in saying all of that, doing what these guys did to PO the Muslim Extremists equates to punching a wild animal in the forest.... Or walking up to some Mexican Drug Cartel and telling him you're going to call the cops on him.

In a perfect world, you may not have to worry about any danger to your life and the police & rule of law will protect you, but we all know that many others do not give two craps about the law and our rights and will take matters into their own hands.

You may think you should have the right to walk down your neighborhood streets and not have to worry about being robbed, sexually assaulted, attacked or hit by a drunk driver.... And you do.

But again, not everybody respects the law & your rights and when it all comes down the line, your protection eventually ends up in your hands and thus, you need to think before you act.

Religion of Peace some say?

I've heard that before as a mockery in other forums, and this phrase always brings me back to the same question:

What Religious Faith in this world IS A RELIGION OF PEACE??

As far as I am aware, none of them. They're all equally destructive to the world and all have had their fair share of brutality in some form or another, some worse than others.

I could go on, but I think that's enough for people to rant on about for now. I'll save the rest for later.

Murder and mayhem is not an acceptable "consequence." And your argument smacks of the folks who say that women who wear provocative clothes are asking to get raped.

[martin14]

Thanos Thanos:

Golly, it looks like full surrender took less than half a day.

No surprise.
Canadian media will no doubt follow suit tomorrow.

also,


20.12 The three gunmen have been identified, according to French reports.

They are apparently aged 18, 32, and 34.

One of the gunmen may be from Reims, 100 miles east of Paris.

[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

If wiping Islam from the face of the earth is what it takes to make a world that's safe for free people then so be it.

It's not even an option. Ask the Jews--various entities have tried to wipe them out numerous times. Turns out you can kill people but not ideas.

[Xort]

Thanos Thanos:

Golly, it looks like full surrender took less than half a day.

Gawker is full of shit and SJWs. Ignore them and their retarded actions.

It's a sad thing to say but in this case 4chan is leading the charge of what is right and has set out to flood the internet with as many offensive images of Muslims and their Prophet of Lies as they can manage. Which... is a rather impressive amount.

[Thanos]

No, but ethnic and social segregation between two completely incompatible cultures is still strongly recommended. For about the ten millionth time, they don't belong in our countries and they never should have been allowed to come here in the first place. Separation is entirely logical a concept, and potentially achievable too, although I suspect it won't be done until the last line is crossed when one of these assholes finally sets a nuke off in one of our cities. Even when it does happen, which is an inevitability, the ensuing apologetics from those who absolutely refuse to admit that the last fifty years of the immigration policy that they imposed on all of us has been a complete and dismal failure, will probably be astounding to behold.

[Thanos]

Xort Xort:

Thanos Thanos:

Golly, it looks like full surrender took less than half a day.

Gawker is full of shit and SJWs. Ignore them and their retarded actions.

It's a sad thing to say but in this case 4chan is leading the charge of what is right and has set out to flood the internet with as many offensive images of Muslims and their Prophet of Lies as they can manage. Which... is a rather impressive amount.

Gawker wasn't doing the censoring, they were only reporting on the cowards at AP and Reuters who were.

[N_Fiddledog]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

If wiping Islam from the face of the earth is what it takes to make a world that's safe for free people then so be it.

It's not even an option. Ask the Jews--various entities have tried to wipe them out numerous times. Turns out you can kill people but not ideas.

Kay, I asked them. They don't have a clue what you're talking about.

In any case it's the enemy ideology more than the people that needs to be modified or failing that deprived a voice in civilized society. Basically when somebody is telling you they're going to kill you, the most prudent course would be to do two things.

1. Believe them.

2. Shut them up.

Call it "shouting fire in a crowded theater if you like", but radical (if you like, although I prefer orthodox) Islam is not the same thing as calling a murdering, thieving, lying, slaving, pedophile non-prophet, prophet a dick. The latter is free speech. The former is not.

No, they are not the same thing. Western Society is the theatre. Orthodox Mohammedans are "fire shouters).

False equivalent, relativism needs to be rammed up the ass of the nearest repressive progressive, until he learns what the words false and equivalent actually mean.

In the meantime.

[martin14]

The two brothers, born in Paris’ 10th arrondissement are French nationals called Saïd and Cherif Kouachi, aged 34 and 32.

Cherif was reportedly part of an Iraqi jihadi network dismantled in the nearby 19th arrondissement of Paris. He was sentenced to three years in prison with 18 months suspended in relation to terror charges in May 2008.

The two brothers are Franco-Algerians who came back from Syria this summer.

Hamyd Mourad, 18, is of no fixed abode. Last year, he reportedly was enrolled in a lycée in Charleville-Mezières around 50 miles from the Champagne capital of Reims, northeastern France. Police were reportedly hunting for him in Reims last night. The nationality of the youngest is unknown.

Their identity cards were circulating widely on Twitter.

Earlier police conducted searches in the Paris suburbs of Pantin, in Seine-Saint-Denis, where the assailants were thought to have driven to.

They also conducted searches in Genevilliers, northwest of Paris.

Social media last night, people were reporting a significant presence of CRS anti-terror police in Reims. Another Twitter user suggested that there was an “incessant” helicopter surveillance.


France has been a nation on tenterhooks since three “lone wolf” attacks that left one dead before Christmas raised alarm over the threat posed by French jihadists returning from Syria and Iraq.

France’s stand against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil) and its bans on wearing the full-face veil in public and the headscarf in state schools have made it a prime target for Islamist terrorists. It has western Europe’s largest Muslim population, estimated at five to six million, and at least 1,000 French nationals are believed to be involved in jihad in Syria, Iraq and on home soil.

The prime minister, Manuel Valls, said France had never before faced a terrorist threat of such magnitude.

“Never have we known such a great danger from terrorism,” Mr Valls said last month. “Our entire society must react, when we’ve got more than a thousand individuals, French or living in France, who are involved in this.”

The December attacks appeared to be the work of amateurs, but Wednesday’s storming of the office of a satirical weekly bore the hallmarks of a well-planned operation carried out by seasoned, trained fighters.





So now we know what we can expect when our little jihadis come slithering home as well.

But we will only see the teenage face of lil Omar.

[MeganC]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

stratos stratos:

I'm already hearing spin on this trying to marginalize the relationship to Islam. Some talking head saying something along the lines of "look we have reached out and talked with moderate Imams and encourage them to let the world know things like this is not part of their religion of peace."

This is not even 6hrs old and already apologists and others are trying to tell us this is an isolated incident.

Which brings up an interesting question. How many isolated incidents does it take to equal a trend? Cuz there's been a fuckton of these "isolated incidents" over the last 20 years.

There are too many of these incidents anymore to call them isolated and even I can see they're all connected by Islam.

[N_Fiddledog]

Get this woman a white horse to march in on.



Le Pen Plays Islamist Card Linking Attacks to Immigration

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France’s Front National leader Marine Le Pen pinned the blame for the killing of 12 people in Paris today on Islamic radicals, as mainstream leaders tried to downplay the religious dimension of the attack.

While President Francois Hollande called for national unity in an attempt to deter the public from demonizing the country’s 5-million strong Muslim community, Le Pen said France has to confront the beliefs of the gunmen who stormed the offices of satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo this morning...

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2015-0 ... -divisions

[MeganC]

Good for her!

[Thanos]

$1:

The prime minister, Manuel Valls, said France had never before faced a terrorist threat of such magnitude.

“Never have we known such a great danger from terrorism,” Mr Valls said last month. “Our entire society must react, when we’ve got more than a thousand individuals, French or living in France, who are involved in this.”

Words are wind. And France (their socialist/communist politicians and intelligentsia especially) is one of the prime supporters of the European Court that just ordered France to pay damages to Somali pirates for putting them in custody and not charging them quickly enough, because apparently 48 hours behind bars was some massive human rights violation.

There's no Napoleon, or even a DeGaulle, out there anymore to put things right. And anyone who rises from the streets to change things would be branded a racist and subject to more criminal penalties just for speaking out than any of the Muslim murderers ever will be. This is the best (worst?) illustration possible of the sewer Europe has trapped itself in thanks to the dementia of the theories and policies they've imposed on themselves since the end of World War Two.