[martin14]

16.29 Amedy Coulibaly, the suspect who is thought to have shot dead a policewoman yesterday and took up to six people hostage at a kosher grocery this afternoon in east Paris has reportedly also been killed.

[martin14]

andyt andyt:

Would have been much better to take them alive and possibly get valuable info out of them. But at least they don't represent a threat anymore.

Yeah, maybe next time they should just shoot them in the knee, right ?


You shouldn't post today, your stupidity level seems to be through the roof already.

[stratos]

Kind of hard to capture them when they come out firing. Maybe you would have preferred for them to kill as many as they could then once their bullets ran out have the police rush in and cuff them.

[andyt]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

andyt andyt:

Would have been much better to take them alive and possibly get valuable info out of them.

^^ That.

I've read that many of these guys are very easy to turn and they start spilling. Guess their fanaticism is only skin deep, or maybe they're just followers, will follow any strong presence.

[stratos]

andyt andyt:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

andyt andyt:

Would have been much better to take them alive and possibly get valuable info out of them.

^^ That.

I've read that many of these guys are very easy to turn and they start spilling. Guess their fanaticism is only skin deep, or maybe they're just followers, will follow any strong presence.

Yeah they followed their guns out the building while pulling the trigger. Maybe you should have been in the front to talk and negotiate with them. I'm sure they would have listened to you AndyT

[stratos]

The great news is that the hostages were freed.

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

andyt andyt:

Would have been much better to take them alive and possibly get valuable info out of them.

^^ That.

I've read that many of these guys are very easy to turn and they start spilling. Guess their fanaticism is only skin deep, or maybe they're just followers, will follow any strong presence.

The reports I heard say the men were radicalized in prison after being convicted of trying to recruit fighters in France for the war in Iraq. At that time, their lawyer said they were 'punks', not hard core jihadis.

It's easier to turn 'back' people like that, than actual Jihadis. Too bad they didn't want to live.

[Thanos]

stratos stratos:

Kind of hard to capture them when they come out firing. Maybe you would have preferred for them to kill as many as they could then once their bullets ran out have the police rush in and cuff them.

Give it time. There's some that probably believe in exactly that in the name of fairness or something. But, but, why couldn't they shoot him in the leg or shoot the gun out of his hand instead?

[BRAH]

Coming soon to a Canadian neighbourhood near you.

[andyt]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

The reports I heard say the men were radicalized in prison after being convicted of trying to recruit fighters in France for the war in Iraq. At that time, their lawyer said they were 'punks', not hard core jihadis.

It's easier to turn 'back' people like that, than actual Jihadis. Too bad they didn't want to live.

Very common scenario, even people converted then radicalized in prison. these guys do seem like actual Jihadis to me - trained in Yemen, fairly good at that attack. The made bad mistakes afterwards, tho, including leaving their id in the vehicle they abandoned. Any good gangster in Vancouver knows you burn the car you used to make a hit with.

They would have been easier to turn when they originally went to prison. Time govts paid more attention to people convicted of minor jihadi offenses and isolates the people who are doing the converting in prison. For sure, deny them internet access or monitor it closely, block jihadi sites. If the Chinese can do it for a whole country, surely we can do it for a prison. But then, for some reason, we don't seem too interested in even keeping drugs out of prison.

[BartSimpson]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

The reports I heard say the men were radicalized in prison after being convicted of trying to recruit fighters in France for the war in Iraq.

Dr. Caleb, I'm disappointed in your ability to suss this out before parroting it.

These men were recruiting terrorists to go fight for the radicals in Iraq before they went to prison. .

But you're siding with the likes of Andy when you assert that they were not 'radicalized' until the poor things were unfairly and inhumanely imprisoned...and what person wouldn't be radicalized by such an injustice? So they're not terrorists, they're victims.

Bullshit.

These guys were hardcore before they went to prison.

Unless, of course, you'd like to concede that 'moderate' moslems will support radical terrorists.

[Regina]

It is a shame that at least one didn't survive. Be nice to have him get a daily shit kicking in prison for the rest of his life.

[BartSimpson]

Regina Regina:

It is a shame that at least one didn't survive. Be nice to have him get a daily shit kicking in prison for the rest of his life.

All six days of it.

[martin14]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

The reports I heard say the men were radicalized in prison after being convicted of trying to recruit fighters in France for the war in Iraq. At that time, their lawyer said they were 'punks', not hard core jihadis.

You might want to read that again, radicalized after being convicted of radical activity.

[Zipperfish]

Hostage freed, suspects killed. Yay. Now the other hostage taking. Even then, I don't suppose that will be the end of it.

Looks like hundreds, maybe thousands dead, in a Boko Haram attack in Nigeria.