[saturn_656]

According to SWN, every day they were prevented from accessing their equipment cost them $60,000.

Send the protestors the bill.

Also bill whomever lit the six police cruisers on fire. $75,000 a piece? $450,000 total? What about all the OT (I'm sure the guys 'n gals went over usual working hours on this one) these cops had to be paid to deal with this situation?

Between damages and costs sustained by SWN and the RCMP the "peaceful protestors" owe well over a million dollars.

[DrCaleb]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Between damages and costs sustained by SWN and the RCMP the "peaceful protestors" owe well over a million dollars.

Greenpeace just got kicked off a Stanley Morgan site for protesting their permit to increase current pipeline capacities. No one was hurt, nothing was damaged.

That's how you do a protest.

[westmanguy]

There protest (Greenpeace re: Kinder Morgan offices in Metro Vancouver) was laughable. They chose a day when there were no scheduled shipments!

No effect to Kinder's business that day. BC will have this nonsense fire up if Northern Gateway is approved. Its all but lost any social license from the general public and first nations reserves.

But I think its a one down/one up situation. Christy Clark will give the backing to Kinder Morgan as it already has an existing right of way. And these extremist native groups will have a hell of a fight over LNG. LNG is much more broadly supported by the BC public than the oil projects.

[Curtman]

On March 21, 2007 our democratically elected house of commons voted in majority to implement the Kelowna accord.

Broken promises = broken country.

[saturn_656]

Nice photo, too bad it was staged for maximum effect and isn't representative of what went on there.

[Jabberwalker]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Nice photo, too bad it was staged for maximum effect and isn't representative of what went on there.

Where?

Ipperwash?

Oka?

Caledonia?

[saturn_656]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Nice photo, too bad it was staged for maximum effect and isn't representative of what went on there.

Where?

Ipperwash?

Oka?

Caledonia?

Rexton.

There's alot of raw footage out there (Youtube, CBC, CTV, etc) much of it cell phone footage from the protestors themselves. I'm surprised they released it because it doesn't really make them look too good.

Yelling obscenities at the cops, whipping objects at them, daring them to release the K-9's and "see what happens". Maybe the protestors think mouthing off to the cops, playing tough guy, torching cruisers, is cool and endearing.

In my mind these protestors are one small step up from the Vancouver rioters. These people at least have a "cause", in theory anyway.

[Jabberwalker]

Circle the wagons!

[housewife]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

In this case, I fully expect the First Nations to talk belligerantly and continue their blockade. Eventually they will go into lockdown, like Oka.

From what I read, the blockade is effectively over. 40+ arrests.

We'll see. My bet is that we ain't seen the last of it yet. I'll bet you 5 rep points. ha ha ha. Hopefully I'm wrong.

No one will take the bet cause I doubt very much that it's over. There are groups that travel North America to join these sorts of protests and egg them on if it's lossing steam. I'm sure reps are there pushing right now

[commanderkai]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Thewy don't want it to blow up. That's the reason. The natives are plenty upset from one coast to the other, and they have shown an inclination to raise the stakes when faced with force.

Ah, so when significant groups of Canadians are upset, they should just destroy private property, use firearms in a dangerous manner, and the government will cower. Good to know. So if, say, student groups rally because they're angry over their shitty job prospects, or French Canadians are upset over their view about the marginalization of French Canadian culture, all they have to do is be destructive and violent, and make sure, if confronted with force, to become more destructive and violent to intimidate the RCMP and other security forces.

You don't see that as a goddamn problem? I do. I don't see why we should let these groups be above the law, just because they might become more violent. That can apply to any other criminal group, but the RCMP and other police forces engage them all the same to serve and protect the interests of the Canadian people.

$1:

In this case, I fully expect the First Nations to talk belligerantly and continue their blockade. Eventually they will go into lockdown, like Oka.

This is a strategy that has workd for them in the past--like Oka, for example.

Or, like what seemingly happened, the police and/or military will grow some balls and make mass arrests. If only it happens within hours, and not within days.

$1:

Governments do not like flare-ups of inter-racial tension. It can quickly get out of control, and loss of control is the biggest fear of any government, regardless of political stripe. In canada we appease, in teh US they just go in and kill evverybody (Wounded Knee, Waco) and in England they take it out on the EDL.

You're right, the Canadian government appeases. We give in, only for them to do it again, and again, and again, and again. They continue to act like they're above the laws other Canadians must abide by BECAUSE THEY ARE. We should treat them like any other fucking Canadian.

I'm frankly tired that we allow one segment of Canada to just get away with shit like this. I'd describe it as terrorism, but 99% of the time they don't even get what they want in the first place. We just wait them out like some child having a tantrum, and we allow individual Canadians and private corporations suffer as their lives are impacted and their property damaged or destroyed. We have tiny bits of insurrection popping up in Canada every year, but the Canadian government does fuck all about it, and barely even bothers to try to capture the people responsible.

And the worst part? Some people think their actions are reasonable. Like if using violence and destruction to make a political point, or accomplish some goal is acceptable! Pray tell, Zip, if these were angry Christians going out and burning abortion clinics, why do I have a feeling you'd be singing a different tune?

[BRAH]

Thanos Thanos:

LOL. Another round of fun with Canada's special l'il "chosen people".

Now we have another round of rallies supporting these so called peaceful people.

The Canadian Government needs to send these extremist xxxxx a message once and for all, protesting is your right but when you start breaking the law you will be held accountable.

[martin14]

commanderkai commanderkai:

And the worst part? Some people think their actions are reasonable. Like if using violence and destruction to make a political point, or accomplish some goal is acceptable! Pray tell, Zip, if these were angry Christians going out and burning abortion clinics, why do I have a feeling you'd be singing a different tune?

+5 if I could

[Curtman]

BRAH BRAH:

Thanos Thanos:

LOL. Another round of fun with Canada's special l'il "chosen people".

Now we have another round of rallies supporting these so called peaceful people.

The Canadian Government needs to send these extremist xxxxx a message once and for all, protesting is your right but when you start breaking the law you will be held accountable.

You keep excluding them from decisions that effect the land we promised that we would preserve for them, and belittle and or ignore their peaceful political activities.

What do you think is going to happen? Outrage and violence..

Escalate the violence some more Harperites.

Stupid is as stupid does.

$1:

In Winnipeg, about 50 protesters disrupted traffic at Main and Portage in support of the Rexton protesters.

The demonstration in Winnipeg was relatively peaceful, but protesters did burn a Canadian flag before making their way to the RCMP building on Portage Avenue.

In southern Ontario yesterday provincial police said 30 to 40 protesters shut down Highway 6 between the communities of Hagersville and Caledonia.

A local news agency, Turtle Island News, said the protest by Six Nations members was also staged in solidarity with the protests in eastern New Brunswick.

Our idiot government seems determined to turn this into civil war. For oil money.

[saturn_656]

Curtman Curtman:

Our idiot government seems determined to turn this into civil war. For oil money.

Natural Gas. The exploration company was looking for natural gas.

Why blame the government? The courts issued the injunction and the RCMP, after a delay, enforced it. It was not done at the behest of any elected government.

[Curtman]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Natural Gas. The exploration company was looking for natural gas.

Right.. Completely different.

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Why blame the government? The courts issued the injunction and the RCMP, after a delay, enforced it. It was not done at the behest of any elected government.

Who owns the land - it's "Crown Land". Who granted the permits - The province.

$1:

Coates doesn't believe First Nations people want to stop development completely. Rather he says they want it stopped until there is a measure of environmental control and a negotiated financial return.

"They're tired of being left economically marginalized and without the opportunity to participate and they want the land and resources necessary to create a positive, constructive future for themselves and it seems to me to be a perfectly rational and reasonable argument and one that's overdue," said Coates.

$1:

Ten companies are currently licensed to explore for shale gas in New Brunswick, but SWN is the only company conducting seismic testing.

$1:

CANADA-ABORIGINAL PEOPLES ROUNDTABLE, APRIL 2004

At the Roundtable, the federal government made a start on what it hoped would be a more coherent, coordinated, and “modern” approach to addressing Aboriginal issues. To produce healthier and more economically self-reliant Aboriginal peoples and communities,(4) it set out to bring Aboriginal peoples together and to bring in provincial and territorial partners. These Aboriginal representatives were invited to “sit down on the same side of the table, as partners.”(5)

The Harperites threw that in the trash AFTER a majority of MP's voted for it.