[HyperionTheEvil]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

I didn't know it was a contest.

For some of us it isn't, for others, it is.

I've never understood why the extremes on both sides of the issue act as if this is an all-or-nothing argument. Scientific discoveries do not shake my faith and my faith does not blind me to scientific truths and I have a hard time dealing with people whose belief in religion or science is threatened by one or the other.

But when people of "Faith" start thinking that Stem cells are human beings that's one of the thresholds where i call BS.Religion would love to be placed on the same levels as science, Scientologists have done this directly and not surprisingly some people who fear that their life will be without purpose and a god to pray to (In this case L Ron Hubbard).The Catholics think it's better to have unwanted children using the rhythm method rather rely on scientific methods to prevent pregnancy

Almost all religions decry gay and lesbians from having equal rights because of some obscure scribbles that supposedly was written almost two thousand years ago.
Religion seeks to control peoples lives, it may offer the usual mantra's of saving one's souls but it based upon ancient prejudices and discrimination's to forward that control.

Religion also contradicts itself, the christian religion proposes that life is 'sacred'. And yet the history of that religion amongst others is filled with stories of murder, rape and genocide. Even today many adherents of the christian religion have that same hypocritical mindset

[angler57]

These are all very decent arguements from both sides. Non affect my faith one
small, little, tiny bit.
Maybe that is why some seek so strongly to disprove the idea of faith and God.
Have no problem accepting the sciences that controls our day to day lives. Have no problem in my faith.
Both are a part of my life each day. Works for me.
Sorry us believers cause some so many problems.
In my normal life I keep my faith to myself. Its my business.
Interesting discussion folks.

[BartSimpson]

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

But when people of "Faith" start thinking that Stem cells are human beings that's one of the thresholds where i call BS.

No one on the pro-life side has ever said that a stem cell is a person. However, we do note that stem cells are harvested from aborted babies and any additional stem cell lines will require children to be aborted.

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

Almost all religions decry gay and lesbians from having equal rights because of some obscure scribbles that supposedly was written almost two thousand years ago.

The gay and lesbian lifestyle tends to be very self-destructive and the warnings of various faiths about the pitfalls of these lifestyles are relevant today. I'm certainly not advocating violating anyone's civil rights, but I also have a grasp of the obvious and will note that when heterosexual people engage in the behaviours that are endemic to gays and lesbians they are considered aberrant.

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

Religion seeks to control peoples lives, it may offer the usual mantra's of saving one's souls but it based upon ancient prejudices and discrimination's to forward that control.

Seems some atheist sicience devotees also want to control people's lives, so what? That doesn't make religion wrong or science wrong, it just means that some people pursue power by whatever avenue is handy to them.

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

Religion also contradicts itself, the christian religion proposes that life is 'sacred'. And yet the history of that religion amongst others is filled with stories of murder, rape and genocide. Even today many adherents of the christian religion have that same hypocritical mindset

And science is not full of hypocrisy and contradiction?

[Lemmy]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

The gay and lesbian lifestyle tends to be very self-destructive and the warnings of various faiths about the pitfalls of these lifestyles are relevant today.

Bullshit.

[Brenda]

$1:

No one on the pro-life side has ever said that a stem cell is a person. However, we do note that stem cells are harvested from aborted babies and any additional stem cell lines will require children to be aborted.

You lost me there...

[BartSimpson]

Lemmy Lemmy:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

The gay and lesbian lifestyle tends to be very self-destructive and the warnings of various faiths about the pitfalls of these lifestyles are relevant today.

Bullshit.

It's not the practice I'm noting here, it's the lifestyles.

For instance, have you ever wondered why some gay men who would otherwise have a full head of hair shave their heads bald?

(Hint; it ain't a fashion statement.)

[Brenda]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Lemmy Lemmy:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

The gay and lesbian lifestyle tends to be very self-destructive and the warnings of various faiths about the pitfalls of these lifestyles are relevant today.

Bullshit.

It's not the practice I'm noting here, it's the lifestyles.

For instance, have you ever wondered why some gay men who would otherwise have a full head of hair shave their heads bald?

(Hint; it ain't a fashion statement.)

You lost me there too...
I mean, only GAY men shave their heads even if they have loads of hair otherwise??

[andyt]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

For instance, have you ever wondered why some gay men who would otherwise have a full head of hair shave their heads bald?

(Hint; it ain't a fashion statement.)

To look tough, same as the straight guys?

[BartSimpson]

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

No one on the pro-life side has ever said that a stem cell is a person. However, we do note that stem cells are harvested from aborted babies and any additional stem cell lines will require children to be aborted.

You lost me there...

Stem cells are the 'building block' cells of a developing fetus and the stem cell lines that have been used in research were originally harvested from aborted babies or, in the case of some European stem cell lines, a zygote was produced in a lab for the explicit purpose of being destroyed so the resulting stem cells could be harvested.

http://stemcells.nih.gov/info/ethics.asp

$1:

Pluripotent stem cells (cells that can develop into many different cell types of the body) are isolated from human embryos that are a few days old. Pluripotent stem cell lines have also been developed from fetal tissue (older than 8 weeks of development).

In both cases a viable human being is deliberately terminated and its cells are harvested for research.

[Gunnair]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Lemmy Lemmy:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

The gay and lesbian lifestyle tends to be very self-destructive and the warnings of various faiths about the pitfalls of these lifestyles are relevant today.

Bullshit.

It's not the practice I'm noting here, it's the lifestyles.

For instance, have you ever wondered why some gay men who would otherwise have a full head of hair shave their heads bald?

(Hint; it ain't a fashion statement.)

The implications that shaving one's head is emblematic of a self destructive lifestyle is simply mind boggling...

Bart, you do your argument no damned good with posts like that. Just saying is all.

[Brenda]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

No one on the pro-life side has ever said that a stem cell is a person. However, we do note that stem cells are harvested from aborted babies and any additional stem cell lines will require children to be aborted.

You lost me there...

Stem cells are the 'building block' cells of a developing fetus and the stem cell lines that have been used in research were originally harvested from aborted babies or, in the case of some European stem cell lines, a zygote was produced in a lab for the explicit purpose of being destroyed so the resulting stem cells could be harvested.

http://stemcells.nih.gov/info/ethics.asp

$1:

Pluripotent stem cells (cells that can develop into many different cell types of the body) are isolated from human embryos that are a few days old. Pluripotent stem cell lines have also been developed from fetal tissue (older than 8 weeks of development).

In both cases a viable human being is deliberately terminated and its cells are harvested for research.

Stemcells are harvested from umbilical cords (or how the hell you spell that), nor from aborted fetuses.
Maybe they were produced for testing, but harvesting stemcells from fetuses does no one any good, because stemcells are personal. For as far as I know.

[Zipperfish]

I don't see religion and science as necessarily incompatible. Science deals with nature; God, by definition in virtually every relgiion, is supernatural. Ergo, God is not subject to scientific enquiry. Also, science is primarily concerned with what is, and religion is primarily concerned with what should be.

[BartSimpson]

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

Pluripotent stem cells (cells that can develop into many different cell types of the body) are isolated from human embryos that are a few days old.

Stemcells are harvested from umbilical cords (or how the hell you spell that), nor from aborted fetuses.
Maybe they were produced for testing, but harvesting stemcells from fetuses does no one any good, because stemcells are personal. For as far as I know.

Brenda, just stating the obvious here when I say that a 'few days old' fetus does not have an umbilical cord.

[Brenda]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

Pluripotent stem cells (cells that can develop into many different cell types of the body) are isolated from human embryos that are a few days old.

Stemcells are harvested from umbilical cords (or how the hell you spell that), nor from aborted fetuses.
Maybe they were produced for testing, but harvesting stemcells from fetuses does no one any good, because stemcells are personal. For as far as I know.

Brenda, just stating the obvious here when I say that a 'few days old' fetus does not have an umbilical cord.

Also needless to say that you don't abort "a few days old" fetus, since you don't know and can't see you are pregnant.

[BartSimpson]

Gunnair Gunnair:

The implications that shaving one's head is emblematic of a self destructive lifestyle is simply mind boggling...

Bart, you do your argument no damned good with posts like that. Just saying is all.

I see you've never heard of scatting. I believe you can find some lovely examples of this on torrent.