[Newsbot]

Title: Royal Navy's nuclear sub stranded in port after fire
Category: Military
Posted By: Scape
Date: 2010-05-09 22:00:59

[Gunnair]

Gotta love those British subs!

[c2shinysea]

More like got to love those low-ball bids and corner cutting in production. When will the procurement beancounters learn that low cost is not always serving the public's best interest.

I'm not normally afraid of much but fires on ships and subs, terrify me. My dad was on the Kootenay when she had her engine rooms blow up. Every time I pass the Kootenay hatches on board, I wonder how much they would have cost in extras had they been in place back then.

Hope the Brits get a handle on the causes before they have a disaster at sea and have a massive loss of life.

[Dragom]

So... When do we get to buy it off the Brits then?

[saturn_656]

Dragom Dragom:

So... When do we get to buy it off the Brits then?

When the Upholders are completely rusted out... we will start considering to buy them.

Delivery will occur ten years after that. Operational status? Another five years.

Minimum.

[BartSimpson]

Dragom Dragom:

So... When do we get to buy it off the Brits then?

When the RN determines that they're unfit for continued service.

[bootlegga]

I'd like to think that we'll buy AIP subs next time, but that wouldn't account for the realities of Canadian politics, which boiled down is no one really cares about the CF unless there's a war going on. And I don't mean a war like Afghanistan or Korea, but a major war like WW1 and WW2.

[BartSimpson]

bootlegga bootlegga:

I'd like to think that we'll buy AIP subs next time, but that wouldn't account for the realities of Canadian politics, which boiled down is no one really cares about the CF unless there's a war going on. And I don't mean a war like Afghanistan or Korea, but a major war like WW1 and WW2.

I would think some smart CF fellow would offer to buy a couple of our old boomers from us. We've been quietly converting some of those old nuc boats into heavy missile boats and they're pretty impressive. Nothing like having a boat that carries 40 torps and over 100 surface-to-surface missiles along with another 100 or so anti-air missiles. Not to mention that a mouse fart sounds like an Aerosmith concert compared to one of these.

[bootlegga]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

bootlegga bootlegga:

I'd like to think that we'll buy AIP subs next time, but that wouldn't account for the realities of Canadian politics, which boiled down is no one really cares about the CF unless there's a war going on. And I don't mean a war like Afghanistan or Korea, but a major war like WW1 and WW2.

I would think some smart CF fellow would offer to buy a couple of our old boomers from us. We've been quietly converting some of those old nuc boats into heavy missile boats and they're pretty impressive. Nothing like having a boat that carries 40 torps and over 100 surface-to-surface missiles along with another 100 or so anti-air missiles. Not to mention that a mouse fart sounds like an Aerosmith concert compared to one of these.

I'd love some nuke subs, as would the Canadian Navy, but there are probably still elements in Washington that would prefer if we didn't.

Back in the 80s, when Mulroney promised to buy us a dozen of them, they lobbied hard to prevent us from buying Trafalgars from the Brits. It took an intervention from Reagan to finally allow us to even kick the tires. I'd be willing to bet that they'd kick up a shitstorm again if something like that was proposed.

The USN prefers the Arctic to a US lake (which I understand but don't like).

[EyeBrock]

U212/U214.

[bootlegga]

Those would work too!

[Public_Domain]

[Freakinoldguy]

bootlegga bootlegga:

I'd love some nuke subs, as would the Canadian Navy, but there are probably still elements in Washington that would prefer if we didn't.

Back in the 80s, when Mulroney promised to buy us a dozen of them, they lobbied hard to prevent us from buying Trafalgars from the Brits. It took an intervention from Reagan to finally allow us to even kick the tires. I'd be willing to bet that they'd kick up a shitstorm again if something like that was proposed.

The USN prefers the Arctic to a US lake (which I understand but don't like).

Bingo. The only way we'll ever get nuclear submarines is to buy them from the French. The US still doesn't want us to have that capability and have couched this philosophy in abstract terms like. "Since we decommissioned all our diesel boats we need you to keep yours so we can use them for training" and other novel excuses by the Pentagon.

If we got Nuke subs it'd just be one more thing the American Submarine Service would have to worry about running into at sea.

Sadly the reality is that until we have a crisis in the Artic the Canadian Public will in no way shape or form allow our military to have a nuclear capability, even if it's only for propulsion.

[Scape]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Dragom Dragom:

So... When do we get to buy it off the Brits then?

When the Upholders are completely rusted out... we will start considering to buy them.

Delivery will occur ten years after that. Operational status? Another five years.

Minimum.

The RCN getting nuke subs now?

[saturn_656]

Scape Scape:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Dragom Dragom:

So... When do we get to buy it off the Brits then?

When the Upholders are completely rusted out... we will start considering to buy them.

Delivery will occur ten years after that. Operational status? Another five years.

Minimum.

The RCN getting nuke subs now?

By the time we got a nuke sub it would be a floating Chernobyl.