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andyt andyt:

So what now? You go from claiming 95% of the child pimps in Britain are Muslim, now you're reduced to bringing up Rotherham again, as if this proves it...

Since the main topic of discussion is about the attacks and failings in Rotherham then, yeah, Rotherham will be brought up again and again. The fact remains that of all grooming gangs like that of Rotherham, Rochdale, Derby, Oxford and a all that have recently been prosecuted were also Pakistani moslem groups shows a pattern. This pattern also raises the spectre to those of us actually concerned, given the facts, that the Rotherham breakdown may be wider spread across all of Britain.

andyt andyt:

Child sex shame of Brazil: Kids forced into prostitution by World Cup gangs

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... z3BzoPgXcd
Follow us: @DailyMirror on Twitter | DailyMirror on Facebook

Top Five Countries with Highest Rates of Child Prostitution

Sri Lanka, Thailand, Brazil, USA, Canada

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/top-five-coun ... ml#I0wIkDZ

A woman who used drugs and alcohol to lure "weak and vulnerable" girls into a life of prostitution has been found guilty of running a child sex ring.

Amanda Spencer, from Sheffield, was aged 16 when she began befriending her victims - some as young as 13 - later forcing them to have sex for cash.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sout ... e-27132856


Man those Pakistani Muslims are devious. And worldwide, it seems

So, let me get this right. Because numerous people have proven that the vast majority of child sex grooming gangs in Britain are perpetrated by Pakistani moslems you feel the need to dilute this fact by introducing non moslem pedophilia statistics from around the world to skew the facts in Britain to your favour?

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Thanos Thanos:

Enoch Powell was right.

Except for that phrase being the rallying cry of the BNP, he was. And too bloody right he was too.

[N_Fiddledog]

I'm going to post a little bit from the one Andy refuses to read.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z3Bq7eQzoE



"And Emma Jackson, who is now 25, tells a revealing story about what happened to her when she was 13 and out with Tarik, plus his sidekicks, at the Rotherham shopping centre.

It was near closing time, about six at night, too late, one might think, for a 13-year-old to be on the streets with a group of men ten years her senior.

‘A couple of beat bobbies came up to us and asked me for my name, my age, and my address,’ she recalled this week. ‘I had been taught to tell the truth by my parents, so I didn’t make up anything. I gave them the correct details.’

What happened next was extraordinary. Tarik began to take charge. He told the two policemen to arrest him or stop bothering Emma and his group of friends. He said if they did not ‘p*** off’, he would take their badge numbers and make a complaint for racial harassment against them.

Emma says: ‘The policemen just walked away. They did not drive me home, they did not contact my parents, they did nothing to protect me. I never heard anything from them.

‘It was always the same. If the perpetrators played the race card, then the police, the social services, they melted away.

‘It meant Tarik and these other men grew arrogant. They acted with complete impunity. They believed they were above any law."

So are you starting to see what I mean Andy? The reason the Muslim grooming gangs of the UK do the kind of thing they do is because they can.

And the real problem isn't even them. They are what they are. The real problem is you, and people like you. You create a political environment where animals like that can operate beyond the law with your idiotic apologies and demands to ignore certain classes of perp, because they're under the politically correct umbrella of you and yours.

And no, this is not like some Slav or Hungarian peasant girl getting tricked into investigating a job out of country, and handing over her passport unknowingly to a criminal gang of white slavers. Wanna know what's missing between that one and the Pakistani Muslim grooming gangs? You are. The white slavers of central Europe don't have you and yours apologizing for them and giving them cover.

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So, let me get this right. Because numerous people have proven that the vast majority of child sex grooming gangs in Britain are perpetrated by Pakistani moslems you feel the need to dilute this fact by introducing non moslem pedophilia statistics from around the world to skew the facts in Britain to your favour?

This is exactly what he is trying to do.

It's called deflection.

He has nothing to argue the topic of Rotherham, so he tries to draw attention
away from it, making sure that it is all whitey's fault, as usual.



For some reason, muslims are a pet project for andy. Maybe he converted.

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So, let me get this right. Because numerous people have proven that the vast majority of child sex grooming gangs in Britain are perpetrated by Pakistani moslems you feel the need to dilute this fact by introducing non moslem pedophilia statistics from around the world to skew the facts in Britain to your favour?

No, sorry, the proof is that the majority of child pimping in Britain has been shown to be from Anglicans. (Well to be fair the were labelled white, so maybe they were all Muslim converts. Doubt it tho) Only you keep spouting on about them all being Muslim, and of course get Martin to salivate in his hatred. Then you conflate Rotherham with Britain to try to back up your claim.

The reason I seem so pro Muslim on this forum is because of the extreme and irrational hatred of Muslims expressed here. All that can do is make happen what you all fear - make all Muslims in the West feel under attack and that they have no choice to defend themselves and throw their lot in with the jihadis. Maybe that's what you want. The way out of this is to ally with the majority of Western Muslims that want peace, not to push them into the enemy camp.

[andyt]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

I don't see your solution--that it got on everywhere and always has and there's no stopping it so what's the point--particularly useful.

It should be vigorously policed and prosecuted. That's where they fell down in Rochdale, as we've seen in part because of fears of being labelled racist, in part because the cops themselves saw these girls as scum, just as the abusers did.

Saying "it's the muslims" then doing something nasty to muslims and washing your hands thinking you've accomplished something will just allow non-Muslim gangs to flourish because the focus will be all on Muslim gangs. There are only so many girls available that are vulnerable to this, remove the Muslims and other predators will move in unless you police all of them, no matter what their race or religion.

[andyt]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

FactCheck: what do we know about the grooming gangs?

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The publication of a damning report into how the authorities handled child exploitation in Rotherham has prompted the leader of the local council to resign.

The independent inquiry by Professor Alexis Jay found that 1,400 youngsters suffered sexual exploitation including rape and trafficking in the South Yorkshire town over a 16-year period.

We know that the case which led to the conviction of five men in Rotherham is not the only one of its kind. Could the abuse that has already come to light be just the tip of the iceberg?

Here’s what we know (and what we don’t) about the child grooming gangs.


How many gangs?
The Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (Ceop) – the national anti-paedophile police command – divides networks of sex offenders into two groups.

So-called ”Type 1 offenders” target young people “on the basis of their vulnerability, rather than as a result of a specific preferential sexual interest in children”.

Ceop received intelligence from 31 out of 43 police forces on groups like this who were known or suspected to have abused vulnerable children in 2012.



There were 57 such groups, ranging from two to 25 suspects, on the radar of those 31 constabularies. We don’t know if any have now been convicted.

So-called “Type 2″ groups – where the offenders have a long-standing sexual interest in children, were much less common. Only seven known or suspected paedophile rings were reported to Ceop.

It is possible to track cases that have been through the courts via media reports, although this is pretty unscientific.

In 2011 the Times journalist Andrew Norfolk identified 17 cases that had led to convictions where there had been a similar pattern of grooming.

In all cases, the victims were vulnerable teenage girls, often in the care of social services. They were approached on the street by men, befriended and plied with alcohol or drugs, before being sexually abused.

Updating the list to include more recent convictions that fit the same pattern, we find that there have been at least 27 similar cases in the last decade.

By date of conviction, we have evidence of such exploitation taking place in Keighley (2005 and 2013), Blackpool (2006), Oldham (2007 and 2008), Blackburn (2007, 2008 and 2009), Sheffield (2008), Manchester (2008 and 2013) Skipton (2009), Rochdale (two cases in 2010, one in 2012 and another in 2013), Nelson (2010), Preston (2010) Rotherham (2010) Derby (2010), Telford (2012), Bradford (2012), Ipswich (2013), Birmingham (2013), Oxford (2013), Barking (2013) and Peterborough (2013).

This is based on a trawl of news sources so is almost certainly incomplete.

Race and religion
The Jay report into failings in Rotherham says: “By far the majority of perpetrators were described as Asian by victims, yet throughout the entire period, councillors did not engage directly with the Pakistani-heritage community to discuss how best they could jointly address the issue.

“Some councillors seemed to think it was a one-off problem, which they hoped would go away. Several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so.”

Ceop data about the ethnicity of offenders and suspects identified by those 31 police forces in 2012 is incomplete.

The unit says: “All ethnicities were represented in the sample. However, a disproportionate number of offenders were reported as Asian.”

Of 52 groups where ethnicity data was provided, 26 (50 per cent) comprised all Asian offenders, 11 (21 per cent) were all white, 9 (17 per cent) groups had offenders from multiple ethnicities, 4 (8 per cent) were all black offenders and there were 2 (4 per cent) exclusively Arab groups.

Of the 306 offenders whose ethnicity was noted, 75 per cent were categorised as Asian, 17 per cent white, and the remaining 8 per cent black (5 per cent) or Arab (3 per cent).

By contrast, the seven “Type 2 groups” – paedophile rings rather than grooming gangs – “were reported as exclusively of white ethnicity”.

Ceop identified 144 victims of the Type 1 groups. Again, the data was incomplete. Gender was mentioned in 118 cases. All were female. Some 97 per cent of victims were white.

Girls aged between 14 and 15 accounted for 57 per cent of victims. Out of 144 girls, 100 had “at least one identifiable vulnerability” like alcohol or drug problems, mental health issues or a history of going missing. More than half of the victims were in local authority care.

The 27 court cases that we found led to the convictions of 92 men. Some 79 (87 per cent) were reported as being of South Asian Muslim origin.

Three were white Britons, two were Indian, three were Iraqi Kurds, four were eastern European Roma and one was a Congolese refugee, according to reports of the trials.

Considerable caution is needed when looking at these numbers, as our sample is very unscientific. There are grooming cases we will have missed, and there will undoubtedly be offences that have not resulted in convictions.

Why are so many victims white?
We’re into the realm of opinion now.

Sentencing nine men in 2012 over offences in Rochdale, judge Gerald Clifton told the defendants they had treated their victims “as though they were worthless and beyond all respect”, adding: “I believe that one of the factors that led to that was that they were not of your community or religion.”

But at the Derby trial in 2010 the judge said he thought the race of the victims and their abusers was “coincidental”.

One of the victims of the Oxford gang told the Guardian that her abusers had asked her to recruit other teenagers and “specified that they wanted only white girls”.

Ceop says: “The comparative levels of freedom that white British children enjoy in comparison to some other ethnicities may make them more vulnerable to exploitation.

“They may also be more likely to report abuse. This is an area requiring better data and further research.”

How many children are at risk?
A report by the Office of the Children’s Commissioner found that 2,409 children were confirmed as victims of sexual exploitation in gangs and groups in the 14 months between August 2010 to October 2011.

If that sounds low compared to the 1,400 identified in Rotherham alone, remember that this number covers 16 years.

This probably only scratches the surface of the real number of victims, and the children’s commissioner said that at least 16,500 children had been identified as being “at risk of sexual exploitation” during one year.

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A 2011 study by the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre looked at the 2,379 potential offenders caught grooming girls since 2008. Of 940 suspects whose race could be identified, 26% were Asian, 38% were white and 32% were recorded as unknown. Asians are roughly 7% of the population.

A report for the children's commissioner in 2012 found there were 1,514 perpetrators. Of these, 545 were white, 415 were Asian and 244 were black. The ethnicity of 21% of perpetrators was not recorded. Attempts to analyse the Asian figure further runs into problems. Just 35 of the 415 Asians are recorded as having Pakistani heritage and thus highly likely to be Muslim, and only five are recorded as being from a Bangladeshi background. The heritage of 366 of the Asian group is not stated in those figures.

So much for Asian always meaning Pakistani Muslim.

However, the view in different parts of law enforcement is that it is wrong to take these figures and cases and say the race or religion of the perpetrator leads to them committing these crimes.

A more credible link, says one senior source involved in bringing the criminals to justice, are their occupations. Speaking on condition of anonymity, the source said the demography of certain areas and the makeup of the night-time economy explained the over-representation of Asian offenders.

The source said: "Young vulnerable girls migrate to the night-time economy, where they come across taxi drivers and people working in takeaways, who are more likely to be Asian. It is better to focus on the professions of offenders, not their race or religion."

Meanwhile, group grooming is a small part of the sexual abuse threat facing Britain's children. Some of those working in protecting children from sexual abuse worry that the wrong message is being given about who poses dangers to children from the media coverage of "Asian grooming gangs".

They say the biggest dangers are not just on the street, but online, and the totality of abuse shows far more white people are perpetrators

Court cases later this year will see allegations against mixed race sex gangs, including one with Asian and white suspects, and another with Asian and African men. Cases involving white suspects did not gain the same media attention as those where Asian gang members were convicted

The idea that these are criminals striking when the opportunity arises, regardless of race, is given credence by the leader of the grooming gang in Rochdale. Shabir Ahmed was jailed for attacking a young Asian female as well as young white females. His case suggests opportunity, not race, was the major factor in whom he attacked.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/may/ ... abuse-race

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We’ve summarised the findings of the OCC inquiry below, but there are a few caveats to bear in mind. In its interim report it noted a number of issues with recording practices:

…during site visits it was apparent that agencies frequently focused on the model of sexual exploitation identified in high profile cases such as those in Derby and Rochdale. Perpetrators, like victims, had similar individual characteristics to those featured in those cases. As a result this was the specific pattern of abuse professionals looked out for. They often told the panel that the perpetrator groups were ‘Asian’ without a more detailed analysis, including whether this label referred to nationality or ethnicity. The Inquiry was informed in several site visits of groups of perpetrators who were described generically as ‘Asian’ but who, upon further investigation, turned out to include Afghan, Kurdish and White British perpetrators.

The report also identified similar tendencies when profiling victims, with professionals sometimes mistakenly characterising them as being predominantly white even when this wasn’t the case.

There’s also evidence to suggest that the data is skewed by a tendency of authorities to record the ethnicity of some groups more often than others – the OCC report also said that “it is evident that data are more proactively gathered on men and boys of Pakistani and Kurdish origin”.

And the recorded crimes might not reflect the nature of all the crimes that take place. As part of its research the OCC interviewed children and young people whose abusers had generally never been charged. It found what it called a “significant gap” between their experiences and recorded data.

That applies equally to details about the victims themselves – there’s some reason to suspect that children from minority ethnic backgrounds might be less likely to report abuse than White British children. This was a concern raised in the Rotherham report, which recommended greater engagement with Pakistani communities to help encourage victims to come forward.

https://fullfact.org/crime/sex_offender ... rham-34810

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andyt andyt:

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So, let me get this right. Because numerous people have proven that the vast majority of child sex grooming gangs in Britain are perpetrated by Pakistani moslems you feel the need to dilute this fact by introducing non moslem pedophilia statistics from around the world to skew the facts in Britain to your favour?

No, sorry, the proof is that the majority of child pimping in Britain has been shown to be from Anglicans. (Well to be fair the were labelled white, so maybe they were all Muslim converts. Doubt it tho) Only you keep spouting on about them all being Muslim, and of course get Martin to salivate in his hatred. Then you conflate Rotherham with Britain to try to back up your claim.

The reason I seem so pro Muslim on this forum is because of the extreme and irrational hatred of Muslims expressed here. All that can do is make happen what you all fear - make all Muslims in the West feel under attack and that they have no choice to defend themselves and throw their lot in with the jihadis. Maybe that's what you want. The way out of this is to ally with the majority of Western Muslims that want peace, not to push them into the enemy camp.

Andy, it was shown to you numerous times that grooming gangs are vastly Pakistani moslems (I never said "all" BTW) You produce a report shown to be skewed by the same disease faced by the victims of Rotherham. never have I said the pedophiles in Britain are usually only Pakistani moslems, in fact I've listed two very disturbing individuals that were very British and very white that is indeed tip of the iceberg as far as Operation Yewtree is concerned. Please stop equating that the only form of pedophilia behaviour is in the form of grooming gangs. There are undoubtedly many cases of pedophilia perpetrated by individuals working alone, across all cultural and ethnic backgrounds and who knows the majority is probably white. The past events in Rotherham and the recent prosecution of a grooming gang there, whom where indeed P/M shows a disturbing and systemic problem. Over the past couple of years there have been several grooming gangs successfully prosecuted and it was from those prosecutions that the 95% figure comes from (I provided you that link some pages back). Here's a link about the chief crown prosecutor of the Rochdale sex gang that was successfully tried. Let's see if you pick up on the one nugget in there that you'll think will make all your denial valid: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... cutor.html

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andyt andyt:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

I don't see your solution--that it got on everywhere and always has and there's no stopping it so what's the point--particularly useful.

It should be vigorously policed and prosecuted. That's where they fell down in Rochdale, as we've seen in part because of fears of being labelled racist, in part because the cops themselves saw these girls as scum, just as the abusers did.

This I agree with and what is now happening to grooming gang convictions. we hare starting to see life sentences with 20 year tariffs. I for one would rather see those that can be deported instead jailed for lengthy terms (but that's just me)

andyt andyt:

Saying "it's the muslims" then doing something nasty to muslims and washing your hands thinking you've accomplished something will just allow non-Muslim gangs to flourish because the focus will be all on Muslim gangs.

again evidence shows that the vast majority of grooming gangs are Pakistani moslem. Any and all found guilty of such crimes should face the maximum regardless of race or religion.

andyt andyt:

There are only so many girls available that are vulnerable to this, remove the Muslims and other predators will move in unless you police all of them, no matter what their race or religion.

Really? Blame the victim?

[andyt]

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andyt andyt:

It should be vigorously policed and prosecuted. That's where they fell down in Rochdale, as we've seen in part because of fears of being labelled racist, in part because the cops themselves saw these girls as scum, just as the abusers did.

This I agree with and what is now happening to grooming gang convictions. we hare starting to see life sentences with 20 year tariffs. I for one would rather see those that can be deported instead jailed for lengthy terms (but that's just me)

deportation after lengthy sentences. In fact since these were serial crimes, these people should be declared dangerous offenders and given an indeterminate sentence.

andyt andyt:

Saying "it's the muslims" then doing something nasty to muslims and washing your hands thinking you've accomplished something will just allow non-Muslim gangs to flourish because the focus will be all on Muslim gangs.

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again evidence shows that the vast majority of grooming gangs are Pakistani moslem. Any and all found guilty of such crimes should face the maximum regardless of race or religion.

No, the evidence doesn't show that at all. But it doesn't matter. Your last sentence holds true, in which case it doesn't matter if they are all Muslims or none. Getting hung up on their religion or ethnicity is just a red herring.

andyt andyt:

There are only so many girls available that are vulnerable to this, remove the Muslims and other predators will move in unless you police all of them, no matter what their race or religion.

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Really? Blame the victim?

WTF? Most girls aren't vulnerable to getting groomed like this. They have more ordered lives where their parents know where they are at night. They have enough parental love and support that they're not going to fall for these traps. It's well known where girls vulnerable to this come from, been studied and understood for a long time. Girls from well functioning families just don't often fall into this stuff. How you can deem stating this well known fact as blaming the victim is beyond me. The internet lurers, they might have an easier time connecting with girls from secure families, but that's not what we are talking about here.

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Pat Condell from 3 years ago:

[andyt]

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There is no such thing as a child prostitute

About 293,000U.S. children are at risk of being exploited and trafficked for sex, according to a 2011 FBI report on trafficking. Most are girls ages 12 to 14. They often are abducted or lured by pimps/traffickers, beaten into submission and sometimes even branded with the pimp’s name.

Across the United States, there are child sex markets not terribly dissimilar to those in Cambodia, Thailand and India. Girls are sold in this country with the same disregard for human dignity, and they are often tortured in the same ways when they try to escape.

Many of the girls are children who were in foster care. One survivor explained to me how the foster-care system is a convenient supply chain for traffickers. “In most of my 14 different placements in foster-care homes,” she said, “I was raped and attached to a check. I understood very early that I could be raped, cared for and connected to money. It was therefore easy to go from that to a pimp, and at least the pimp told me that he loved me.”

Child welfare systems do not properly identify or help children who are being trafficked for sex. Even when there is recognition of abuse, child welfare agencies often regard it as outside of their purview because the perpetrator is not a parent or caregiver. Child welfare agencies then shift the responsibility to law enforcement, which has failed to establish consistent protocols that treat trafficked children as victims of child abuse. These children are not routinely interviewed by sexual violence experts, as is done in other instances of child rape. Nor do prosecutors provide them the legal protections afforded to other sexually assaulted minors.

I have heard many judges express frustration that there is no safe place to send these girls. They cannot necessarily be returned to foster care or their families because their home life is often perilous and they might run away again. Nor can they be released onto the streets, where the pimps are waiting. For trafficked girls, there is rarely the option of safe, therapeutic centers. As Rep. Ted Poe (R-Tex.) has pointed out, this country has more animal shelters than shelters for exploited children. Judges often detain these girls, believing that jail is the safest of many bad options.

But should an abused child be incarcerated for the abuses perpetrated against her? The people who rape these girls, the politely termed “johns,” are rarely arrested for statutory rape, child endangerment or sexual assault of a minor.

Perhaps it is too difficult to accept what happens on U.S. soil, to our own daughters. Regardless, we must call this trafficking what it is: serial, systematized rape. And we must care for these girls, too often invisible to society, as victims and survivors of child sexual abuse.

Because there is no such thing as a child prostitute.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... story.html

[andyt]

$1:

CHILD PROSTITUTES

Child prostitutes can be any age. The children are most often between 11 and 18 years of age but some may be as young as 18 months. These children usually come from broken homes and are lured by seemingly kind older men who promise them food and shelter. These men then become their pimps and exploit the children for their own financial gain. Child prostitutes are poorly paid if they are paid at all, kept in unsanitary conditions, denied healthcare, and are constantly watched and kept subservient. Child prostitutes are commonly threatened and abused both physically and psychologically. Pimps also use drugs as a tactic. The pimp will invite the child to a party and provide them with their first taste of drugs. The child then becomes hooked and will perform prostitution services in exchange for more of the drug. Alternatively, the pimp may find a child who is already a drug user and promise to feed their fix in exchange for ‘work’. Many Canadian neighbourhoods that are plagued by prostitution blame child prostitution on drug addiction.

http://www.victimsofviolence.on.ca/rev2 ... &Itemid=20

[Gunnair]

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andyt andyt:

So what now? You go from claiming 95% of the child pimps in Britain are Muslim, now you're reduced to bringing up Rotherham again, as if this proves it...

Since the main topic of discussion is about the attacks and failings in Rotherham then, yeah, Rotherham will be brought up again and again. The fact remains that of all grooming gangs like that of Rotherham, Rochdale, Derby, Oxford and a all that have recently been prosecuted were also Pakistani moslem groups shows a pattern. This pattern also raises the spectre to those of us actually concerned, given the facts, that the Rotherham breakdown may be wider spread across all of Britain.

andyt andyt:

Child sex shame of Brazil: Kids forced into prostitution by World Cup gangs

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... z3BzoPgXcd
Follow us: @DailyMirror on Twitter | DailyMirror on Facebook

Top Five Countries with Highest Rates of Child Prostitution

Sri Lanka, Thailand, Brazil, USA, Canada

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/top-five-coun ... ml#I0wIkDZ

A woman who used drugs and alcohol to lure "weak and vulnerable" girls into a life of prostitution has been found guilty of running a child sex ring.

Amanda Spencer, from Sheffield, was aged 16 when she began befriending her victims - some as young as 13 - later forcing them to have sex for cash.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sout ... e-27132856


Man those Pakistani Muslims are devious. And worldwide, it seems

So, let me get this right. Because numerous people have proven that the vast majority of child sex grooming gangs in Britain are perpetrated by Pakistani moslems you feel the need to dilute this fact by introducing non moslem pedophilia statistics from around the world to skew the facts in Britain to your favour?

Well, I won't speak for Andy, but I suspect he might mean that ...Yes, the vast majority of child sex grooming gangs in Britain are perpetrated by Pakistani muslims... but the outrage seems to end there since the number of threads devoted to child sex issues in other countries that have nothing to do with Islam are essentially non-existent. In other words, is the anger being displayed here over the issue of child sexual abuse in general or child sexual abuse by muslims in particular? If it's the latter, then I'd posit its not so much about the children but about more fuel for hating Islam.

[andyt]

I've actually posted numbers that show the majority are not Muslims at all, even in England. Proper record keeping of ethnicity and religion of perps is very sketchy and inaccurate. It does seem like Pakistani Muslims are over represented in terms of population, but aren't by far the majority. By making this about Muslims or Pakistanis, the larger point is lost that men and women from all backgrounds groom children as prostitutes. That's where the focus should lay, rather than just having a FD/Martin hate fest about the latest Muslim outrage. Unfortunately it seems to have caught up zipper, where the fact the perps in this particular town were mostly Muslim somehow supposedly makes the abuse worse than if good old John Smith did it.

And the outrage is that the police were not only afraid to act because of fears of being called racist, but actually held the same low opinion of the victims as the victimizers did. In fact the piece I cited about the US shows that the same attitude is prevalent there, where the child prostitutes are deemed criminals instead of victims. This is a huge worldwide problem, we know about the sex tourism to Thailand, etc, that we just don't take seriously enough. Canada was listed as a top 5 country for child prostitution, many of them aboriginal. This thread has really opened my eyes to how prevalent this problem really is. Much more needs to be done. Just saying lets get the Muslims won't do it.

And there was Thanos accusing me of using child prostitutes. I know he's not always responsible for what he says, but it was still disgusting, no excuse for it.