[andyt]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-camb ... e-25659042

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Police began investigating in Peterborough after other high-profile sex abuse cases involving groups of men elsewhere, including in Oxford and Rochdale.

Det Supt Ridgway said: "We decided to carry out an information trawl to identify young people who were potentially vulnerable and at risk of being exploited.

"At that stage we had no complaints, nor any suggestion that such exploitation was going on in the city."

He said officers won the trust of the young people, some of whom later revealed they had been abused.

They had not all been previously known to police or social services.

Their abusers called themselves the Peterborough Mally Gang - a Czech phrase meaning "young gangsters" - and congregated at a fried chicken shop in the city.

Dastardly Pakistanis using a Czech name to confuse people.

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A 2011 study by the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre looked at the 2,379 potential offenders caught grooming girls since 2008. Of 940 suspects whose race could be identified, 26% were Asian, 38% were white and 32% were recorded as unknown. Asians are roughly 7% of the population.

A report for the children's commissioner in 2012 found there were 1,514 perpetrators. Of these, 545 were white, 415 were Asian and 244 were black. The ethnicity of 21% of perpetrators was not recorded. Attempts to analyse the Asian figure further runs into problems. Just 35 of the 415 Asians are recorded as having Pakistani heritage and thus highly likely to be Muslim, and only five are recorded as being from a Bangladeshi background. The heritage of 366 of the Asian group is not stated in those figures.

So much for Asian always meaning Pakistani Muslim.

However, the view in different parts of law enforcement is that it is wrong to take these figures and cases and say the race or religion of the perpetrator leads to them committing these crimes.

A more credible link, says one senior source involved in bringing the criminals to justice, are their occupations. Speaking on condition of anonymity, the source said the demography of certain areas and the makeup of the night-time economy explained the over-representation of Asian offenders.

The source said: "Young vulnerable girls migrate to the night-time economy, where they come across taxi drivers and people working in takeaways, who are more likely to be Asian. It is better to focus on the professions of offenders, not their race or religion."

Meanwhile, group grooming is a small part of the sexual abuse threat facing Britain's children. Some of those working in protecting children from sexual abuse worry that the wrong message is being given about who poses dangers to children from the media coverage of "Asian grooming gangs".

They say the biggest dangers are not just on the street, but online, and the totality of abuse shows far more white people are perpetrators

Court cases later this year will see allegations against mixed race sex gangs, including one with Asian and white suspects, and another with Asian and African men. Cases involving white suspects did not gain the same media attention as those where Asian gang members were convicted

The idea that these are criminals striking when the opportunity arises, regardless of race, is given credence by the leader of the grooming gang in Rochdale. Shabir Ahmed was jailed for attacking a young Asian female as well as young white females. His case suggests opportunity, not race, was the major factor in whom he attacked.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/may/ ... abuse-race

Maybe it's time to take a deep breath here.

[ccga3359]

This is not about your atypical prostitution rings run by organized crime luring young women. Are we clear on that? This is about groups victimizing, raping and selling of young girls because of their race. To abuse and to sell to others intent on victimizing and raping young girls based on their race. It is about authorities reluctant to prosecute based on the race of the perpetrators for fear of being labeled a racist prosecution, civil unrest and what have you. The gangs are largely Pakistani moslem because it is possibly their warped teachings, culture and or because it seemed or so long they were untouchable. latest reports were that this was widely known and discussed in local mosques but felt not to involve the police.

[andyt]

Maybe read the Guardian piece I quoted again, you seem to have missed it.

I fully agree that the problem was allowed to fester and get much worse because of police inaction - again maybe why there were so many Asians, because they got carte blanche from the cops, while Europeans did not. And because, as we've seen, the police held the exact same attitude towards these girls than the groomers did. Wonder what it is about Anglicanism that would make police hold attitudes like that.

[Zipperfish]

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Cases involving white suspects did not gain the same media attention as those where Asian gang members were convicted.

This statement is not supported and seems highly speculative. It seems to me that 16 years of systematic rape of well over a thousand children would be worthy of media attention regardless. When it was the Catholic priests, it was worldwide news. When it was the Indian residential schools it was international news.

In the case of the residential school case, it was readily recognized that racism played a huge part--that these Indian kids were considered fair game. And it was the same here--these Muslims considered loose western women fair game.

[ccga3359]

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 8/6803.htm

[andyt]

Nice myopic view. The article is talking about all of Britain, not just Rotherham, Christ between you and ccga you make a nice tag team. He makes the claim that 95% of British grooming gangs are Pakistani Muslim, refuted by the figures I cited. You then go to one particular instance, and somehow want to extrapolate to all of England from that. As it shows, the majority of perps identified were white. And makes a good case why it's a crime of opportunity rather than anything else. As Beaver pointed out, Muslim girls just aren't out and about by themselves at night, looking for attention and excitement the way these white girls were. If you want to read race or culture into it, look at the disintegration of the white family, lack of supervision and attention paid to the kids, vs Muslim ones.

[ccga3359]

well if you want to talk just Rotherham then I am incorrect that 95% of grooming gangs are Pakistani moslems. The figure is exactly to 100%! My mistake. My apologies.

[N_Fiddledog]

Took a lot of searching to find those, didn't it Andy? How much did you have to ignore to find those?

OK shall we tell them now what you must have seen, but are not mentioning?

Let's not, at least not right away. Let's deal with the first one first. Then we'll deal with the comedy.

OK so you found an exception in Peterborough. You're talking about these guys....



They were a little group of criminals that hung around a chicken place, in a larger world where Muslim Pakistani grooming gangs were a trend and the Peterborough group copycatted.

So what? Well I imagine the 5 girls who were groomed didn't like it, but in the wider context of what's relevant here, so what?

OK now let's have some laughs and show them what you neglected to mention concerning that report the far left rag The Guardian was so proud of.

Must have slipped your mind not to mention the other article The Guardian did on that one. You know the one that went into all the criticism that Mickey Mouse report had received.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2012 ... use-report

I didn't have to Google too far to discover the other British papers were being a bit harder on little Suzy Berelowitz than Pravda, pardon me The Guardian was.

The Telegraph and the Times are behind pay gates, but they both appeared to be aware of the widespread debunking the "study" had received.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/c ... 606639.ece

Luckily we can access the Daily Mail so we can at least see one version.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... gangs.html

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Senior Whitehall figures have branded the report 'hysterical' and 'highly emotional'.

Last night a Government source said it was ‘difficult to overstate the contempt’ with which ministers viewed the report’s conclusions.

And the NSPCC said the report exposed the danger of ‘turning a blind eye’ to the ethnicity of abusers.

[snip]

She denied that the problem of Asian men targeting white girls had been 'left out' of her report, but repeatedly insisted it 'is only one model' of abuse.

She also appeared to blame police forces and councils for failing to collect information on the race and faith of perpetrators.

Those of us who speak 'Progressivese' are hearing her say the figures in her report were inconclusive, faulty even.

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Andrew Flanagan, chief executive of the NSPCC, said: ‘If there is a problem with one community in a particular area we must be bold enough to address it and not just turn a blind eye.’

A Government source said: ‘It is difficult to overstate the contempt the Government has for the methodology and analysis in this report. The whole thing is half-baked.’

Figures in the report state that out of 1,514 perpetrators identified, some 415 were Asian.

This is 27 per cent of the total, far in excess of the proportion of Asian people in the community at large, which is 6 per cent.

Some 545 are described as white, 244 as black, 49 as mixed, while the rest were undisclosed.

Continuing on...

Little Suzy tells us,

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The report suggested the proportion of Asian perpetrators in the figures may be higher than whites because the authorities were targeting non-whites

Yeah right, Suzy, or maybe you're just not that concerned about correct figures, and if you don't like the ones you get that's OK. That's why you do them in pencil and bought yourself a spiffy new eraser.

Meanwhile in the real world, even using Suzy's unverifiable figures,

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Figures in the report state that out of 1,514 perpetrators identified, some 415 were Asian.

This is 27 per cent of the total, far in excess of the proportion of Asian people in the community at large, which is 6 per cent.

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[The report] even concluded that the data on ethnicity was ‘unreliable’ because victims sometimes changed their description of their abuser.

A Whitehall source said last week: ‘It’s important we don’t take a politically correct approach and pretend there is not a real problem here.

'Obviously abuse has been carried out by men from all sorts of ethnic background. But that doesn’t mean we cannot say there is an issue about groups of Pakistani men systematically targeting young white girls.’

Tory MP Margot James said: ‘On the face of it, this is an issue for all ethnicities, but there is a specific problem in certain Asian communities – specifically the Pakistani community – in too many cities to ignore the phenomenon.

‘Unless we recognise the problem, we won’t be able to devise a strategy for tackling it.

'It is very disappointing that this report has shied away from it, given the fact that some leadership is coming from within the Asian community. They need support.’

[Zipperfish]

andyt andyt:

Nice myopic view. The article is talking about all of Britain, not just Rotherham, Christ between you and ccga you make a nice tag team. He makes the claim that 95% of British grooming gangs are Pakistani Muslim, refuted by the figures I cited. You then go to one particular instance, and somehow want to extrapolate to all of England from that. As it shows, the majority of perps identified were white. And makes a good case why it's a crime of opportunity rather than anything else. As Beaver pointed out, Muslim girls just aren't out and about by themselves at night, looking for attention and excitement the way these white girls were. If you want to read race or culture into it, look at the disintegration of the white family, lack of supervision and attention paid to the kids, vs Muslim ones.

A "particular instance"? This isn't an "instance". It's the systematic rape and terrorization of well over a thousand [redominately white girls over a period of 16 years by hundreds, maybe thousands, of Pakistani Muslim men. That is not an "instance" by any definition. Those men had plenty of access to Muslim girls in their homes and communities. Booze and drugs have nothing to do with it. They picked those girls because they were considered them fair game. They picked them because they weren't Muslim.

Just because these girls may have been "looking for attention" or "out and about by themselves" doesn't mean that you can rape them. It is not a mitigating factor.

[N_Fiddledog]

The report was done in 2011. The figures were questioned then, and based on what we know now I'm confident enough to call "Shenanigans".

It's not just a bogus report, it's an obviously bogus report. I can't believe Andy wanted to dredge it up.

[martin14]

ccga3359 ccga3359:

Still more news: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... mbers.html

Back out already ?

How nice...

[Zipperfish]

My abuser is out of jail... and tormenting me on Facebook: At 13 Lizzie was raped... and says authorities have done nothing

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A victim of the Rotherham scandal last night claimed one of her abusers had launched a Facebook stalking campaign against her.

Lizzie, who was only 12 when she was groomed by Umar Razaq, says he 'taunted' her on the social networking site after being released from jail.

Razaq, who served less than a year despite the depravity of his crimes, was yesterday boasting of 'living the high life' while on a 'holiday of a lifetime' after he left the country earlier this week

Less than a year.

[martin14]

andyt andyt:

What I've read of the links on this thread, I don't believe you.

Yeah well that fits your normal pattern, refusing evidence brought right to your plate, because ' it just can't be true '.

Now, in a desperate effort, you want to deflect from discussing the 1400 children
in Rotherham to all sex crime in the UK, so you can somehow try to protect your
precious left wing bigotry, that ' it just can't be true '.

As for the rest,

andyt andyt:

Muslim girls just aren't out and about by themselves at night,

Both you and BF have been called out by Zippy for victim shaming, and rightly so.
I guess when it comes right down to it, it is better to blame the white victims,
rather than the Muslim perps.

Muslim girls aren't ' out and about and looking for it ', because they know full
well they'll be killed for doing that.

Some freedom, eh ?

They also get to worry about when someone is going to come round and hack up
their genitals, and the police don't seem to be worried about that either.


But you are an admitted troll on this board, so please, carry on.


Oh and in reference to your other question, multiculturalism doesn't work.

The UK is a shining example of this failure, with Sweden being not far behind.

[Thanos]

So only 19 out of 21 instead of the original 19 out of 20 pimping gangs are run by Muslim males? This surely is more evidence that racism, and only racism, is the worst thing ever.

[ccga3359]

One report read is that up to 54 grooming gangs are now being investigated. Cant find the link though. Martin, Zip, I think you'll find that the members of the last couple of gangs found guilty were given life sentences or there about. Funny thing was they were all particular ethnic background so finally the problem is being addressed. As for Rotherham this scourge should have ended with the authorities but let's not forget where it started.