[shockedcanadian]

Lemmy Lemmy:

shockedcanadian shockedcanadian:

Right, there's some fascist logic, "if you don't like being persecuted and terrorized by your government, you are free to leave". I'm sure this was an "option" given to many in history.

Persecuted and terrorized? Exaggerate much? Oh wait, yes, that's what you do. Captain Hyperbole's your new handle.

CaptainHyperbole CaptainHyperbole:

How about I just speak the truth and let our allies decide what is what?

Why are you so concerned about what our allies think?

Employment interference, holding at the border, threats, harassment. What do you call that? Good policing? Our home going to be lost, our dreams stolen, my ability to contribute to my retirement taken away.

I care what our allies think because Canada is presenting an entirely different façade while engaging in actions behind their back that both threaten their security and undermine our NAFTA agreement and obligations.

Universal Democratic principles have to be strongly supported wherever they exist. If Canada doesn't represent these principles it is important for other nations to know. If they do, than they have nothing to worry about with what I reveal.

Maybe you can't comprehend or appreciate the mechanisms of liberty and democracy, but many do.

[Lemmy]

What I can't comprehend are the mechanisms of paranoia and mental illness, which is why I don't understand a thing you type. This was a thread about Hockey Night in Canada's host and you're turned it into a nutty rant about NAFTA and cops. I've tried, but now it's time for you join Fiddly and moron14 on the ignore list. It makes for a nicer time around here when I eliminate the crazies.

[shockedcanadian]

Lemmy Lemmy:

What I can't comprehend are the mechanisms of paranoia and mental illness, which is why I don't understand a thing you type. This was a thread about Hockey Night in Canada's host and you're turned it into a nutty rant about NAFTA and cops. I've tried, but now it's time for you join Fiddly and moron14 on the ignore list. It makes for a nicer time around here when I eliminate the crazies.

Someone mentioned how stupid hockey fans are (might have even have been you), and I suggested that more broadly these same fans, and a larger group believe Don Cherry is the 7th Greatest Canadian.

[Freakinoldguy]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Yup, all hockey and football fans be stupid.

That's not what I said.

FOG FOG:

Sorry, but that's nothing more than a hackneyed excuse used to make these men's failures someone else's fault. As an announcer or interviewer if you can't connect with your audience it isn't their fault it's yours and claiming that they're not smart enough to "get you" is just pandering.

But too many of them aren't smart enough to get it. That's not calling the audience stupid. The audience is, in sum, of average intelligence. That's the definition of average. But Strumbo's (and Miller's) contributions required more than "average" capacity.

FOG FOG:

The truth was that Dennis Miller while articulate and funny spoke down to people and alienated his audience for it. And, Strombo just isn't knowledgeable enough to sit at the table with people who have actually played the game or covered it for most of their adult lives.

No, the truth is that people of average intelligent didn't get Miller, which made them "feel", wrongly, that they were being spoken down to.

FOG FOG:

Two sports host experiments gone awry is all this is and has nothing to do with it being the fans fault.

It's not the fans' fault for being of average intelligence. Again, any group, if large enough, will have the largest number of members be of average intelligence. It's a normal distribution. Strombo and Miller had a smaller appeal and were not accessible to the majority of their audience. It's no one's fault. It's just the way populations work. It also explains Don Cherry's appeal to the "average" viewer.

That is the most elitist load of crap I've ever read.

You may think that the "average" fan is an idiot who didn't get the nuances of Dennis Miller's sarcastically overblown sense of self worth or the completely inane questions one G.S asked but, the truth is that their piss poor attitudes and over heightened sense of self worth were the real causes of their downfall.

Well, that and their inability to stop trying to make themselves look smarter about their respective sports than they really were because, when push came to shove, that average intelligence fan that you claim just isn't smart enough to get them was much more knowledgeable about those sports than these two supposed academically gifted marvels who, when exposed turned out to be nothing more than garden variety dime store experts.

If the truth be known, Miller should have stayed as a comedian and Strombo should have stuck to doing non hockey interviews. Things they were actually very good at.

[peck420]

shockedcanadian shockedcanadian:

Don't tell me you are one of those who voted for Don...

Nope. Didn't cote at all. Didn't even remember that the poll was taking place until they announced the winner.

I do, however, understand how a colour commentator, that was the face of the defacto national sport for more than 1 generation of Canadians, makes the list.

$1:

Right, there's some fascist logic, "if you don't like being persecuted and terrorized by your government, you are free to leave". I'm sure this was an "option" given to many in history.

Would that be similar to your fascist logic about how the majority of democratic nation disagrees with you, therefore they are all wrong?

$1:

How about I just speak the truth and let our allies decide what is what?

Truth, you mean the truth that Canada is run, and should be, as dictated by Canadians...not by allies or their opinions.

I encouraged you to leave, precisely because the only opinions you seem to care about are those of foreigners. Well, if their opinions matter to you so muc, move to their country, and be one with your designated authority.

[shockedcanadian]

peck420 peck420:

shockedcanadian shockedcanadian:

Would that be similar to your fascist logic about how the majority of democratic nation disagrees with you, therefore they are all wrong?
[quote]

Majority of democratic nations disagree with me? You should leave Canada once in awhile or at least communicate with other democratic nations, you will understand why Canada has the most complaints against them to the UN in the entire world. We are not a model nation of individual rights. Though we work really hard to present this fallacy.

The British, French and Americans understand the concepts of rule of law and individual rights. Canada believes in "centralized power" and "collectivism" at the expense of the individual. It insulates those in positions of authority from criticism and accountability. Going so far as to allow these abuses to occur in American corporations. Inexcusable.


I went to multiple domestic agencies, provided specific details and anticipated a changes, instead my wife and I were held at the border at the behest of the Canada while they interfered with my career at a bank. It became abundantly clear that contrary to my belief, trying to speak truth to power only created MORE harm to me than accountability.

Therefore; domestic recourse isn't possible. I cannot in good conscience allow the decisions by Canadian agencies to go on without consequences, there is far too much at stake.

To suggest other democratic allies agree with Canadian tactics is comical and it is this attitude that demands the spreading of facts rather than fiction.

[Lemmy]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

You may think that the "average" fan is an idiot

NO! I think (no, know) that the average fan is of average intelligence. That's what "average" means. Why do you keep insisting that me calling someone "average" means something other than "average"? A person of average intelligence may not get Dennis Miller's humour but they get what "average" means. What does that say about your place on the distribution?

FOG FOG:

Blah, blah, blah. If the truth be known, Miller should have stayed as a comedian and Strombo should have stuck to doing non hockey interviews. Things they were actually very good at.

You're absolutely right, they should have stuck to what they were doing. But that doesn't mean they weren't also good at sports broadcasting. It's just that the average fan didn't get their references and humour.

[OnTheIce]

Lemmy Lemmy:

You're absolutely right, they should have stuck to what they were doing. But that doesn't mean they weren't also good at sports broadcasting. It's just that the average fan didn't get their references and humour.

Yes, because one must have a high intellect to get Dennis Miller.

[Freakinoldguy]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

You may think that the "average" fan is an idiot

NO! I think (no, know) that the average fan is of average intelligence. That's what "average" means. Why do you keep insisting that me calling someone "average" means something other than "average"? A person of average intelligence may not get Dennis Miller's humour but they get what "average" means. What does that say about your place on the distribution?

FOG FOG:

Blah, blah, blah. If the truth be known, Miller should have stayed as a comedian and Strombo should have stuck to doing non hockey interviews. Things they were actually very good at.

You're absolutely right, they should have stuck to what they were doing. But that doesn't mean they weren't also good at sports broadcasting. It's just that the average fan didn't get their references and humour.

That was a terrible insult.

For a guy who thinks he's smarter than everyone else in the room you sure aren't keeping up you're end of the practice.

As for you, claiming to understand the things that the "average" person couldn't possibly get, just goes to prove my point that, faux intelligent elitists are nothing more than self absorbed egotists.

But here's a question. If Denis Miller and George Stroumboulopolis weren't understandable to the "average" fan then why did they both have such large followings when they stayed in their chosen fields?

Unless of course, you're saying that hockey and football fans are idiots who don't watch political comedy and cutting edge interviews.

[Lemmy]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Yes, because one must have a high intellect to get Dennis Miller.

Not necessarily, but at least a well-rounded knowledge base.

Al Michaels and Dennis Miller were doing a Vikings' game in Minneapolis. Some guy hurts his ankle and they show him on the bench getting his ankle wrapped. Miller says "I haven't seen that much fabric since the environmental artist Christo wrapped the Pont Neuf bridge in Paris."

Al Michaels hits the sneeze button to cut his mic, turns to Miller and says "What the fuck are you talking about?" Producer Don Ohlmeyer cuts in on the headphones and says "No, Al, Christo, environmental artist, solid reference, that's a solid reference."

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

For a guy who thinks he's smarter than everyone else in the room you sure aren't keeping up you're end of the practice.

Sorry, who thinks that?

FOG FOG:

As for you, claiming to understand the things that the "average" person couldn't possibly get, just goes to prove my point that, faux intelligent elitists are nothing more than self absorbed egotists.

When did I ever claim such a thing? Do you ever hear what people actually say to you or do you just put whatever words in their mouths you figure meshes with your preconceived notions?

[Freakinoldguy]

Lemmy Lemmy:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Yes, because one must have a high intellect to get Dennis Miller.

Not necessarily, but at least a well-rounded knowledge base.

Al Michaels and Dennis Miller were doing a Vikings' game in Minneapolis. Some guy hurts his ankle and they show him on the bench getting his ankle wrapped. Miller says "I haven't seen that much fabric since the environmental artist Christo wrapped the Pont Neuf bridge in Paris."

Al Michaels hits the sneeze button to cut his mic, turns to Miller and says "What the fuck are you talking about?" Producer Don Ohlmeyer cuts in on the headphones and says "No, Al, Christo, environmental artist, solid reference, that's a solid reference."

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

For a guy who thinks he's smarter than everyone else in the room you sure aren't keeping up you're end of the practice.

Sorry, who thinks that?

FOG FOG:

As for you, claiming to understand the things that the "average" person couldn't possibly get, just goes to prove my point that, faux intelligent elitists are nothing more than self absorbed egotists.

When did I ever claim such a thing? Do you ever hear what people actually say to you or do you just put whatever words in their mouths you figure meshes with your preconceived notions?

So you're saying you didn't understand Denis Miller anymore than the rest of we in the herd?

Sorry, but if that's truly the case then you're not anymore qualified than the rest of we "averagers" or in my case apparently "less than averager" to give us succinct reasons why he was so unpopular and ended up being shit canned from MNF.

[OnTheIce]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

So you're saying you didn't understand Denis Miller anymore than the rest of we in the herd?

Sorry, but if that's truly the case then you're not anymore qualified than the rest of we "averagers" or in my case apparently "less than averager" to give us succinct reasons why he was so unpopular and ended up being shit canned from MNF.

What he said was pretty clear.

$1:

Dennis Miller only appealed to intelligent people, like me.

The fact that average and stupid fans like you didn't get his sense of humour means you're an idiot and I am a superior being and it's not his fault he got fired, it's the World's fault for not having enough smart people watch sports

[Lemmy]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

What he said was pretty clear.

$1:

Dennis Miller only appealed to intelligent people, like me.

The fact that average and stupid fans like you didn't get his sense of humour means you're an idiot and I am a superior being and it's not his fault he got fired, it's the World's fault for not having enough smart people watch sports

That's what you heard, but that's not what I said.

[Lemmy]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

So you're saying you didn't understand Denis Miller anymore than the rest of we in the herd?

No, I'm saying that that Christo-bit was hilarious, as was most of what Denis Miller's ever said.

FOG FOG:

Sorry, but if that's truly the case then you're not anymore qualified than the rest of we "averagers" or in my case apparently "less than averager" to give us succinct reasons why he was so unpopular and ended up being shit canned from MNF.

Oh, I know why he was shitcanned. He was shitcanned because most people didn't find that Christo-bit funny. But it was.

[ShepherdsDog]

shockedcanadian shockedcanadian:

peck420 peck420:

shockedcanadian shockedcanadian:

Would that be similar to your fascist logic about how the majority of democratic nation disagrees with you, therefore they are all wrong?

$1:

Majority of democratic nations disagree with me? You should leave Canada once in awhile or at least communicate with other democratic nations, you will understand why Canada has the most complaints against them to the UN in the entire world. We are not a model nation of individual rights. Though we work really hard to present this fallacy.

The British, French and Americans understand the concepts of rule of law and individual rights. Canada believes in "centralized power" and "collectivism" at the expense of the individual. It insulates those in positions of authority from criticism and accountability. Going so far as to allow these abuses to occur in American corporations. Inexcusable.


I went to multiple domestic agencies, provided specific details and anticipated a changes, instead my wife and I were held at the border at the behest of the Canada while they interfered with my career at a bank. It became abundantly clear that contrary to my belief, trying to speak truth to power only created MORE harm to me than accountability.

Therefore; domestic recourse isn't possible. I cannot in good conscience allow the decisions by Canadian agencies to go on without consequences, there is far too much at stake.

To suggest other democratic allies agree with Canadian tactics is comical and it is this attitude that demands the spreading of facts rather than fiction.

You know something? Nobody fucking cares about your psychotic breaks with reality. You could claim that the cops crammed a d cell mag lite flashlight up your asshole....guess what, nobody would care.