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Title: Report urges Canada to work with U.S. on Arctic security
Category: Misc CDN
Posted By: Hyack
Date: 2010-06-08 22:22:16
Canadian

[Khar]

I can bet ten to one that there will be some concerns here just because the already rising presence in the arctic under the conservatives was in part a response to the US, when Bush said that they didn't recognize the sovereignty of Canada and the government wanted to re-assert it.

I'm sure there might be some remark that the government would be backing off on that stance by allowing the states to have a more active role in the defense of the Northern region.

[andyt]

I read a review of this report in the paper. Apparently it's all about closer integration with the US - borders etc. Do we really want to go there, and get pushed around even more? I used to be all for joining the US, then at least our provinces would have the save rights and influence as US states. With the election of the moron, and their politics giving credibility to people like Sarah Palin and Rand Paul, I would like us to keep a healthy distance from those nutbars.

[rickc]

You will be assimilated! Resistance is futile!

[bootlegga]

andyt andyt:

I read a review of this report in the paper. Apparently it's all about closer integration with the US - borders etc. Do we really want to go there, and get pushed around even more? I used to be all for joining the US, then at least our provinces would have the save rights and influence as US states. With the election of the moron, and their politics giving credibility to people like Sarah Palin and Rand Paul, I would like us to keep a healthy distance from those nutbars.

It doesn't sound like they totally want to tie us to the US. They also said this;

$1:

At the same time, the report encourages Canada to build stronger ties with the rising powers in Asia and become the first country to secure a dual-citizenship agreement with China.

"If the United States is in decline, we need to have advantages in Asia -- and one of the greatest advantages we have is this human bridge to Asia," Greenspon said in reference to Canada's large Asian population.

That definitely makes sense to me.

[andyt]

bootlegga bootlegga:

It doesn't sound like they totally want to tie us to the US. They also said this;

$1:

At the same time, the report encourages Canada to build stronger ties with the rising powers in Asia and become the first country to secure a dual-citizenship agreement with China.

"If the United States is in decline, we need to have advantages in Asia -- and one of the greatest advantages we have is this human bridge to Asia," Greenspon said in reference to Canada's large Asian population.

That definitely makes sense to me.

You're right, I forgot about that. That freaked me out even more. Do we really want more Chinese immigrants with divided loyalties than we already have? I see this going all one way - you think a lot of Canadians are going to want Chinese citizen ship, with their justice system? Nobody's immigrating to China that I can see.

[Khar]

To be honest, I didn't want to say too much onto the rest yet without at least seeing more on the report or of the report myself, but the lack of discussion that a friend of mine mentioned about Latin America, which is growing into an excellent set of nations in their own right, was a little disappointing, given that the government has already begun and has made impressive trade in-roads with many of those nations.

China brings a lot of questions to the fore which I'm concerned were not adequately discussed in the meeting, chief amongst them being that the yuan is not an entirely floating currency and China itself has some questionable internal problems.

[bootlegga]

andyt andyt:

bootlegga bootlegga:

It doesn't sound like they totally want to tie us to the US. They also said this;

$1:

At the same time, the report encourages Canada to build stronger ties with the rising powers in Asia and become the first country to secure a dual-citizenship agreement with China.

"If the United States is in decline, we need to have advantages in Asia -- and one of the greatest advantages we have is this human bridge to Asia," Greenspon said in reference to Canada's large Asian population.

That definitely makes sense to me.

You're right, I forgot about that. That freaked me out even more. Do we really want more Chinese immigrants with divided loyalties than we already have? I see this going all one way - you think a lot of Canadians are going to want Chinese citizen ship, with their justice system? Nobody's immigrating to China that I can see.

All it will do is allow those who immigrate to Canada to keep their passports. What's the big deal? We already let most other immigrants do it.

I don't know anything about your 'divided loyalties' crap, because every Chinese immigrant I know (about a a half dozen), moved here for one reason, to make sure their kids get the very best quality of life, education, career, etc. Not one of them is interested in moving back to China to live and work.

If Canada really wants to prosper in the 21st century, we'll need to understand booming economies like China and India. And newsflash, they are nothing like our European ancestors, so communicating with them is far different than with the Americans, Brits or Aussies (or even other Western Europeans). They have different religions, diets, cultural beliefs and norms, and if we plan on trading with them, we'd better be able to communicate with them. Who's better equipped to do that, a white bread person like you or me, or someone who immigrated from China/India a decade ago?

Frankly, where many people here bitch about multiculturalism hurting Canada, I think it gives us a tremendous economic advantage over more homogeneous nations like Germany and Japan. We should exploit it, not ignore it.

[saturn_656]

bootlegga bootlegga:

All it will do is allow those who immigrate to Canada to keep their passports. What's the big deal? We already let most other immigrants do it.

It's not Canada doesn't let Chinese immigrants keep their citizenship.

PRC does not recognize dual citizenship.

[bootlegga]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

bootlegga bootlegga:

All it will do is allow those who immigrate to Canada to keep their passports. What's the big deal? We already let most other immigrants do it.

It's not Canada doesn't let Chinese immigrants keep their citizenship.

PRC does not recognize dual citizenship.

You know what I meant smartass!

[saturn_656]

bootlegga bootlegga:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

bootlegga bootlegga:

All it will do is allow those who immigrate to Canada to keep their passports. What's the big deal? We already let most other immigrants do it.

It's not Canada doesn't let Chinese immigrants keep their citizenship.

PRC does not recognize dual citizenship.

You know what I meant smartass!

Yeah, I do.

[BartSimpson]

Allowing Chinese citizens to have full rights in Canada is a mistake especially given that the PRC has already said that an eventual goal of theirs is to establish Chinese 'trade cities' in Vancouver and along the Pacific coast in the USA. Do you really want to surrender even a portion of your sovereignty to China or anyone else?

[andyt]

bootlegga bootlegga:

I don't know anything about your 'divided loyalties' crap, because every Chinese immigrant I know (about a a half dozen), moved here for one reason, to make sure their kids get the very best quality of life, education, career, etc. Not one of them is interested in moving back to China to live and work.

I've seen a lot of devided loyalties both in person and in the media. We've had immigrants exposed as Chinese agents, working for China and against Chinese who want to question the govt there. Lots of Chinese seem to treat us as a safe haven while they go back to China to make money. Many seem to want to change our systems/culture to be more like China's, not recognizing that the reason Canada is a safe country is because of it's current culture.

This isn't just about Chinese, many immigrants play the same game. But China is a big power, and way more scary than if it turns out Brenda is an agent for the house of Orange. I would like to see immigration reduced anyway, and put more limits on immigrants from any one country, so we don't get these huge waves of people who then try to change Canada to be more like their home country. This has been very obvious with Chinese immigrants, where whole malls are Chinese only and stores won't serve people in English etc.

[bootlegga]

I'm not worried about the Chinese one bit. Every second gen Chinese I know is a fully assimilated Canuck, and like I said, the recent immigrants came here to make their (and their kids) lives better, not play spy.

As for the bit about Chinese malls and such, there are places in Edmonton that only serve Polish/Ukrainian people. I don't care about them either. If someone wants to limit their business (either due to racism or a language deficiency), that's their problem, not mine.

[DerbyX]

bootlegga bootlegga:

I'm not worried about the Chinese one bit. Every second gen Chinese I know is a fully assimilated Canuck, and like I said, the recent immigrants came here to make their (and their kids) lives better, not play spy.

As for the bit about Chinese malls and such, there are places in Edmonton that only serve Polish/Ukrainian people. I don't care about them either. If someone wants to limit their business (either due to racism or a language deficiency), that's their problem, not mine.

Yep, although I doubt they suffer from lack of business. I see all kinds of specialty stores that deal with ethnic cuisine. Oriental, Indian, etc. A workmates wife is Polish from a very ethnic Polish family and says that they make sure they buy authentic Polish cuisine right down to the butter.

Doesn't stop them from fully being Canadian though. I don't know about the Chinese but he lives in the "Italian" part of Toronto and says he meets lots of people who identify themselves as Italian first. No one ethnic group or religion holds a monopoly who assimilating or not assimilating.