[PostFactum]

DidiM DidiM:

Well as far as I'm concerned - I don't give a flying leap - about the advantages or disadvantages of separation. Like I said, it's high time - they get out of Canada - and we won't have to continue spending the multi BILLIONS of dollars a year, we've spent to APPEASE the Quebecoise political 'elite' and their disciples. They should have been thrown out of confederation 30 years ago and exposed for what they are.

How stupid are our Federal politico's to accept the BLOC - as a legitimate Federal Party - when it is nothing of the sort? And how STUPID are WE the PUBLIC to ALLOW this insult to all we stand for - to continue?

Time will show, if they use Federal money on their politics, so without it they'll fall fast:) Language? Language is nothing, everyone will study African dialects if it'll needable.

[Proculation]

Talking of the Bloc, a party I have always despised, I think that it is the price of democracy.

You know, my thinking is that we should change our election system. A friend of mine, who is at the doctorate in BC right now, made a chart comparing the results of the last elections (2008) to what would have happened if we used a proportional vote system like in Germany.



(sièges = ridings, you can click on the image to go to their blog)

Total results:

CPC: 121 (-22) ridings (-15,4%)
LPC: 83 (+6) (+7.7%)
NDP: 56 (+19) (+51,4%)
Greens: 19 (+19) (+)
Bloc: 29 (-20) (-40,8%)
Ind.: 0 (-2) (-)

The winner are the NDP and Greens, the fourth and fifth party (federalists) and the loser is the Bloc, the third party (separatist).

The two other parties are not moving a lot compared to the others.

Would it have been better ? I don't know. The CPC would have a plurality of the ridings but a coalition could have been made between the LPC, NDP and maybe the Greens. Or, like in the UK last week, the CPC would have to make a coalition with the Bloc to get a majority.

Or, the CPC could have tried to run a very minority government.

But, at least, the Bloc would have lost almost 41% of their ridings.

[raydan]

I figured this out when the first referendum was defeated.

[Proculation]

raydan raydan:

I figured this out when the first referendum was defeated.

The Bloc came in '96.

[raydan]

Proculation Proculation:

raydan raydan:

I figured this out when the first referendum was defeated.

The Bloc came in '96.

What I figured out was that Québec sovereignty was irrelevant.

[kenmore]

uwish uwish:

to bad the elected PQ seems to think their support includes separation.

Separation is the PQ's mantra. They really know that its a dead issue, but there are idiots out there who still think its possible. They will be elected next time round because the libs are being shit on at present. So we will be listening to the rhetoric from Mme. Marois ... same shit different year.

[Bodah]

When it comes to Quebecs political leaders that keep on harping on about separation, most of us outside of Quebec know that most Quebecers are content and want nothing to do with it because they realize all considering it isn't worth risking the stability they have now. But everytime I hear the Bloc or their provincial counterparts go on about it I can't help but feel like this...

[kenmore]

Too funny Bodah

[GreenTiger]

The PQ types and the Bloc as a whole appears to be more of a pain the ass then anything else, I'm sure the do SOMETHING positive, but I never see it.

[westmanguy]

Separatists annoy me. They want their cake and they want to eat it to.

IF Quebec ever rears it's head about separation again (which I doubt will happen, but you never know), the conditions need to be clear. There will be no association with Canada. Quebec will be on its own. They won't get our currency, they won't get our money, they won't have an economic 'pact', and they will take on their share of the national debt. They will gain true indepdence. And as a result, because of their left wing socialist spending ways they'll collapse from the debt.

Therefore - it won't happen.

So we will continue to throw billions at this province to appease them...until the seat realignment to give more seats to BC, Alta, and Ont. That will diminish Quebec's influence - Thank God.

[Proculation]

Bringing back the title of the article: Quebec sovereignty is IRRELEVANT, says poll

[MacDonaill]

On one hand I'm very glad to see this poll, but it would be foolish to say that idea of sovereignty will ever cease to be an issue in Quebec altogether. Far from it. If the separatists had a nickel for every time someone in the Anglo press sounded sovereignty's death bell, they might actually have enough money to win. No matter how many times people say it's dead, it always comes back. Quebec separatism is Canada's Freddy Krueger.

On the other hand, just like in 1980, I think these poll results risk comforting too many people into complacently accepting the constitutional status quo, when in reality ALL Canada's provinces stand to benefit from some constitutional reform comporting greater provincial autonomy and responsibility and less federal interference in areas of provincial concern.

[MacDonaill]

Benn Benn:

I'll post once MacDonaill shares his angry curse filled separatist Offline MacDonaill wisdom.

You must be new.

[PluggyRug]

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

On one hand I'm very glad to see this poll, but it would be foolish to say that idea of sovereignty will ever cease to be an issue in Quebec altogether. Far from it. If the separatists had a nickel for every time someone in the Anglo press sounded sovereignty's death bell, they might actually have enough money to win. No matter how many times people say it's dead, it always comes back. Quebec separatism is Canada's Freddy Krueger.

On the other hand, just like in 1980, I think these poll results risk comforting too many people into complacently accepting the constitutional status quo, when in reality ALL Canada's provinces stand to benefit from some constitutional reform comporting greater provincial autonomy and responsibility and less federal interference in areas of provincial concern.

Does the above jumble of words reinforce the thread title, or not?

[Bodah]

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

On one hand I'm very glad to see this poll, but it would be foolish to say that idea of sovereignty will ever cease to be an issue in Quebec altogether. Far from it. If the separatists had a nickel for every time someone in the Anglo press sounded sovereignty's death bell, they might actually have enough money to win. No matter how many times people say it's dead, it always comes back. Quebec separatism is Canada's Freddy Krueger.

On the other hand, just like in 1980, I think these poll results risk comforting too many people into complacently accepting the constitutional status quo, when in reality ALL Canada's provinces stand to benefit from some constitutional reform comporting greater provincial autonomy and responsibility and less federal interference in areas of provincial concern.

Nah....

It's only been the Quebec media that's been ringing the "separatist" bell lately. Simply for the reason they have nothing else to be relevant about. And since their majority of their demographics are angry old people like any media it only makes sense to keep on pressing the issue. All you need to prove that was Duceppes cross Canada tour to sell his message of Quebec sovereignty, they were obviously hoping for an anti-quebec media circus. I was so happy English Canada never obliged him and just ignored the spectacle.

The majority of younger Quebecers when it comes down to it , could really care less. Like the rest of us their major concerns are taking care of their families, stable jobs and a healthy life.

Sure they may talk about it in a wistful manner but for the most part I don't think they feel threatened of losing their language, which is one of the main reasons for Quebec independence. But then I'm a just a dumb Anglophone that lived in Quebec most of my life that realized early on the importance of learning to speak French if I chose to live there. And I'm glad I did.

If other people outside of Quebec chose not to learn French, its no ones else s damn business and aren't any less of a Canadian for doing so.