[ShepherdsDog]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

kenmore kenmore:

Andyt.. part of your response is correct. Québecers don't give a rats ass what you speak outside the province, but they do within. Also Québecers have not written off their brethern in Canada. The main issue is the power and control of the feds over the province. This is true of several other provinces who feel the feds have too much power and control. One has to realize the number of french speaking people in Québec to understand the reason for bill 101 to prevent the assimilation into the north american sea of angliphones. Left unchecked french Québecers would be assimilated and would be in danger of losing the culture as well as the language. This was the case prior to WWII.. from the 50s on we slowly took control of our own province and became as they say " Maître chez nous"

I discovered this when I was working at Intel. I had occasion to visit Montreal on business and was informed in no uncertain terms that Intel had to do business in French and that we also had to agree to a number of outrageous concessions if we wanted to business in Quebeck.

Intel was not selling anything, mind you, we were the customer.

Consequently I made the recommendation to cancel any further discussions with the Montreal firm and to go ahead and do business with Siemens on that project. That cost the Montreal firm around US$2.5 billion that ended up going to Siemens. Intel also made the choice to site a fabrication plant in Portland, Oregon instead of Montreal based in part on that transaction. That cost Quebeck around 1,500 high tech jobs.

So, sure, go ahead and protect your cultuue and isolate yourselves from the rest of North America. You can force us to speak French when we vist Quebeck, but you can't force us to do business there, visit there, or anything else. So do what you will, but recognize the fact that others will do as they will, too.

We have French, and soon you'll have Spanish as your second official. language

[BartSimpson]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

We have French, and soon you'll have Spanish as your second official. language

Oh, and that's one big reason why I relish the thought of Canada and the US forming a North American Union.

Just imagine the pissing war that will go on when the Quebeckers demand that the Mexicans learn to speak French and then the Mexicans demand that the Quebeckers learn to speak Spanish.

Can't wait to sit back and watch the fun between two 'special' groups as they fight over who is more special.

[Bodah]

Fuck that everyone has to learn Cree first !!!

[Gunnair]

Bodah Bodah:

Fuck that everyone has to learn Cree first !!!

Or Gaelic...

[ShepherdsDog]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Bodah Bodah:

Fuck that everyone has to learn Cree first !!!

Or Gaelic...

You first.

[DVC185]

Pity....

[commanderkai]

Bodah Bodah:

I realize most Quebecers want nothing to do with separation from Canada, I honestly do. If was a francophone Quebecer I would feel the same way.

But what I find a little "fucked up" is that 48 out of the 75 seats in Quebec are Bloc seats that's 64%.

With that it really suprises me when I have conversations with some Quebecers who are against separation but vote for the Bloc because in their view they best represent "Quebec's best interests" but get offended with me when I call the Bloc separatists instead of sovereigntists or whatever the fickle reasons are. Last time I checked Mr.Duceppe still wants Quebec to leave Canada so whats the difference ? Just the spelling of the meaning. In the end the Bloc still wants out. Why get pissed at me.

Either get the Bloc to change their message or at the very least send the NDP to Ottawa en masse instead of the Bloc if people find the Liberals or Conservatives that bad for Quebec.

Better idea start another Federal Party, that doesn't involve separation.

I don't have much respect for a party who's only interest is a certain geographic cultural region of the country carried along with the fuck the rest sort of attitude because they want out anyways.

Then and only then will the rest of Canada be less hostile.

I agree with Bodah. As much as polls and surveys might say sovereignty/separation is dead, people/the rest of Canada will still despise Quebec as long as Quebec continues to vote and send BQ/PQ to their respective legislatures. Until the BQ/PQ stop supporting separation from Canada, and the highly discriminating laws/legislation those two parties push forth and carry out (like the various Language Laws, as well as getting pissy whenever English signs are placed in public over/larger than French signs, will Canada stop focusing their hatred on Quebec, and bring it forth on Toronto!

[Public_Domain]

[Arctic_Menace]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

No, to separation of any of Canada's provinces. We aren't a block of friggen cheese, we are a Confederation. Don't cut it up.

Actually, Canada is more of a Federation. It's just confusing because the act that created our country was called "Confederation".

[Public_Domain]

[DidiM]

To kenmore: As an anglophone/allophone Quebecker - I'd like to suggest you tell the whole truth instead of the never ending nonsense about 'Quebec not wanting to get assimilated' etc. How dare you or anyone - use that as excuse to Ethnically Cleanse Quebeck's English speaking population and their culture - OUT of the Province!
The TRUTH is: The French language has NEVER - EVER - been in jeopardy! As a matter of FACT it has flourished and prospered for 400 freaking years - with the full support of the non franco community! What the language loi - disciples and supporters want is full control of Montreal and its surrounding areas - that was the financial hub of the country - before Bill 101... and is still the financial hub of the Province. The longstanding Catholic Church 'Anglo Devil's Fault' was used as another 'excuse' to stir up hatred against anyone in the Province who was NOT Pure Francophone - and used to Starve the English out of the workplace and Province. It is universally called ETHNIC CLEANSING. So tell me mon ami, how can you or any other 'intelligent human being' - justify - the assimilation LIE - by ERASING the 400 year long English Quebec culture and language?
That is what the NAZI Party did in Germany - and Quebec now holds the title of being responsible for the biggest forced migration (600,000 people) OUT of their homes - jobs - lives and province.
The grotesque removal of English as an official language in Quebec - is further PROOF of the popularity of Ethnic Cleansing in la belle province. The gentleman from Intel is a true reflection of what corporations outside the Province and country - think of the language loi's.. and mon ami ... that is why Quebec - once the RICHEST Province in the country (before the language laws)... is now - not only the POOREST financially - it is the POOREST when it comes to equal rights (there are non for non francophones in Quebec) and a disgrace to humanity. And the ETHNIC CLEANSING continues full force while our Federal Politicos look the other way. Quebec has changed from a democracy to a totally gouvernement controlled entity - with the highest taxes - most restrictions and removal of rights and freedoms - and least services - and absolutely no accountability whatsoever to the public. That trend mon ami started with the Parti Quebecois... how else do you think Madame Marios & Parizeau got to live in a freaking castle? Ever wonder about that? The politicians deliberately divided the population - pitting the once wonderful Francophones against the English - because they understood - that when one keeps the people divided - one has total control; and all of them have been laughing all the way to the bank for over 30 years.

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Yepp, they are too close to other parts Canada, if they separate they'll lose a good support and feeling of large and strong country.New generation realises that.

[DidiM]

PostFactum PostFactum:

Yepp, they are too close to other parts Canada, if they separate they'll lose a good support and feeling of large and strong country.New generation realises that.

I'm happy to agree that the younger generation is starting to see the light - and starting to question all the utter garbage against les anglos et les ethnic -they've been conditioned to believe. Yet at the same time - I have yet to hear outrage and shame from ANY Francophone over the devastation they have heaped upon us - les autres - nor have I heard any Francophone demand or even mention - that the language laws be removed - nor have I heard any Francophone decry the removal of English as an Official Language in Quebec. Therefore - I strongly believe they SHOULD SEPARATE - from the Federal Regions of Quebec - including of course the greater Montreal area. 30 years of us 'autres' bending over and ass kissing has done NOTHING other than allow the discrimination against us - to ingratiate itself into freaking LAW - fully supported by our Federal Politicians; so the nightmare not only continues - it is more frightening and appalling than ever.
I also wonder why the ROC has continued to 'look the other way' and pretend the 2.5 million English speaking Quebecers caught in this hell hole - don't exist?
One would think and believe - that NO Canadian would have allowed - Ethnic Cleansing in OUR Democracy. And yet they have and they do. Why have none of you demanded of your MP's and MNA's that this grotesque blight and shame - be righted immediately and is totally unacceptable? Canada being on par with Nazi Germany's methods - is a demonstration of how low the country has sunk.
Again, I have had more than enough of this shit being foisted upon us - and no longer have ANY interest in befriending or belonging to a society that's built on a foundation of hate and corruption. Frankly I'll be thrilled when they separate - and we can be free again.

[PostFactum]

DidiM DidiM:

PostFactum PostFactum:

Yepp, they are too close to other parts Canada, if they separate they'll lose a good support and feeling of large and strong country.New generation realises that.

I'm happy to agree that the younger generation is starting to see the light - and starting to question all the utter garbage against les anglos et les ethnic -they've been conditioned to believe. Yet at the same time - I have yet to hear outrage and shame from ANY Francophone over the devastation they have heaped upon us - les autres - nor have I heard any Francophone demand or even mention - that the language laws be removed - nor have I heard any Francophone decry the removal of English as an Official Language in Quebec. Therefore - I strongly believe they SHOULD SEPARATE - from the Federal Regions of Quebec - including of course the greater Montreal area. 30 years of us 'autres' bending over and ass kissing has done NOTHING other than allow the discrimination against us - to ingratiate itself into freaking LAW - fully supported by our Federal Politicians; so the nightmare not only continues - it is more frightening and appalling than ever.
I also wonder why the ROC has continued to 'look the other way' and pretend the 2.5 million English speaking Quebecers caught in this hell hole - don't exist?
One would think and believe - that NO Canadian would have allowed - Ethnic Cleansing in OUR Democracy. And yet they have and they do. Why have none of you demanded of your MP's and MNA's that this grotesque blight and shame - be righted immediately and is totally unacceptable? Canada being on par with Nazi Germany's methods - is a demonstration of how low the country has sunk.
Again, I have had more than enough of this shit being foisted upon us - and no longer have ANY interest in befriending or belonging to a society that's built on a foundation of hate and corruption. Frankly I'll be thrilled when they separate - and we can be free again.

Well the USA controlls Spanish with success. Theie separation of Quebec will make freedom max in 50 years, after that time they will grieve for "Mother Canada". Separate act has more disadvantages than advantages. Ukraine had the same problem with Crimea the were firing Ukrainian flags, swearing on it, but, when the president Yushchenko tried to "Make Ukrainian - Crimea left" they realised that without Ukraine they are nothing, after 2 years they were polite like rabbits. So "Quebec problem" will be solved by itself.

[DidiM]

Well as far as I'm concerned - I don't give a flying leap - about the advantages or disadvantages of separation. Like I said, it's high time - they get out of Canada - and we won't have to continue spending the multi BILLIONS of dollars a year, we've spent to APPEASE the Quebecoise political 'elite' and their disciples. They should have been thrown out of confederation 30 years ago and exposed for what they are.

How stupid are our Federal politico's to accept the BLOC - as a legitimate Federal Party - when it is nothing of the sort? And how STUPID are WE the PUBLIC to ALLOW this insult to all we stand for - to continue?