[Tman1]

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

You don't consider English-Canadians a nation? Well, I guess that would put you at odds with history, but that's your problem.

The concept of 'nation' is pretty obscure in Canada but if you can define what a nation is on your own terms, that's your problem. In Canada and I'm sure most other well minded Canadians consider Canada ONE nation and one nation only. The problem is people like you like to separate each language and ethnicity into a single 'nation' status. That's a problem we don't need. Good bye.

$1:

There is a law, but what I'm saying is that even without a law, packaging would still be in both languages because yeah, companies both inside and outside Canada actually do what to sell shit to the Francos too.

Actually no. Most companies would want to not do business with Quebec if requirements would be to be in both languages when there is not a need and companies could give a rats ass about Francos, wherever they live.

$1:

Trying to make sense of whatever it was you were blabbing about in that paragraph. I guess what you're trying to do is suggest that it's OK for English-Canadians to be obsessed with the US because you believe that in turn, Quebec is negatively obsessed with English-Canada? Do I have that right?

No. You made the claim that English-Canada is obsessed with America simply because they speak english. I made the claim Quebec is obsessed with the...well the 'english speaking folk anywhere, U.S or Canada and with those bill 101 laws in Quebec, I'd say I'm spot on. You seem to make the distinction between people who aren't bilingual or don't speak french as...obsessed with America or unworthy, uncultured.

$1:

As for English-Canadian culture, it's nothing that escapes me. I actually have a great appreciation for it, and I find it kind of sad that most English-Canadians themselves don't share in that appreciation.

Yes, apparently the most interesting part of Canada is Quebec, as you stated but the ROC has a culture but is uninteresting according to you but you appreciate it but you find English-Canadians not appreciating their own culture. I can tell you don't live out west as Western Canadians have great appreciation of their own culture (boring as it may be) but is an integral part of Canada. You don't like it, too bad.

$1:

For example, I guarantee you that I read more English-Canadian literature and watch more English-Canadian films and television programmes than you or most other English-Canadians ever have or ever will.

I doubt that very much and such a bravado is hard to prove and saying such a thing is sheer stupidity. Nice job. Yes, I like Degrassi High too.

$1:

Bullshit. Core French is a part of the basic curriculum in all English provinces. You might not have studied it for 8 years, as the time will obviously vary, but the case remains. Anyway, it wouldn't matter if you were forced to study it for 5 years or 10, you still wouldn't learn it. There are probably many reasons for this, but it's still a bit funny how someone can study a subject in school for years, see bilingual packaging on nearly all products, flip past Radio-Canada while channel surfing daily etc... still not know enough French to order a beer.

No it is not. I learned french in elementary school, that is it. Middle and High school were OPTIONAL. There is french immersion in elementary but that is it. Unless I've been living in a twilight zone or you know something about my education I don't, I'd say you are full of bullshit chum. Nice try.

Say I know french, why the hell would I want to order a beer in French at Boston Pizza in Calgary? Take your time answering that one.

[Tman1]

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

Yeah... of course.

Change your diaper.

$1:

I said astronaut, not cosmonaut. But thanks for playing.

Btw, ever heard of the European Space Agency? Wanna take a guess at which country it's located in? I'll give you a hint: they like wine and cheese.

There are more Russian Cosmonauts then there are French Astronauts. Bilingualism in french is not a prerequisite for space travel but hey, thanks for playing. Oops, you were right, bilingualism is a must. Russian and English. That bilingual french guy is going to give that Russian a headache.

Those 'Whiners' are going to give you a run for their money.

[uwish]

Tman1 Tman1:

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

You don't consider English-Canadians a nation? Well, I guess that would put you at odds with history, but that's your problem.

The concept of 'nation' is pretty obscure in Canada but if you can define what a nation is on your own terms, that's your problem. In Canada and I'm sure most other well minded Canadians consider Canada ONE nation and one nation only. The problem is people like you like to separate each language and ethnicity into a single 'nation' status. That's a problem we don't need. Good bye.

$1:

There is a law, but what I'm saying is that even without a law, packaging would still be in both languages because yeah, companies both inside and outside Canada actually do what to sell shit to the Francos too.

Actually no. Most companies would want to not do business with Quebec if requirements would be to be in both languages when there is not a need and companies could give a rats ass about Francos, wherever they live.

$1:

Trying to make sense of whatever it was you were blabbing about in that paragraph. I guess what you're trying to do is suggest that it's OK for English-Canadians to be obsessed with the US because you believe that in turn, Quebec is negatively obsessed with English-Canada? Do I have that right?

No. You made the claim that English-Canada is obsessed with America simply because they speak english. I made the claim Quebec is obsessed with the...well the 'english speaking folk anywhere, U.S or Canada and with those bill 101 laws in Quebec, I'd say I'm spot on. You seem to make the distinction between people who aren't bilingual or don't speak french as...obsessed with America or unworthy, uncultured.

$1:

As for English-Canadian culture, it's nothing that escapes me. I actually have a great appreciation for it, and I find it kind of sad that most English-Canadians themselves don't share in that appreciation.

Yes, apparently the most interesting part of Canada is Quebec, as you stated but the ROC has a culture but is uninteresting according to you but you appreciate it but you find English-Canadians not appreciating their own culture. I can tell you don't live out west as Western Canadians have great appreciation of their own culture (boring as it may be) but is an integral part of Canada. You don't like it, too bad.

$1:

For example, I guarantee you that I read more English-Canadian literature and watch more English-Canadian films and television programmes than you or most other English-Canadians ever have or ever will.

I doubt that very much and such a bravado is hard to prove and saying such a thing is sheer stupidity. Nice job. Yes, I like Degrassi High too.

$1:

Bullshit. Core French is a part of the basic curriculum in all English provinces. You might not have studied it for 8 years, as the time will obviously vary, but the case remains. Anyway, it wouldn't matter if you were forced to study it for 5 years or 10, you still wouldn't learn it. There are probably many reasons for this, but it's still a bit funny how someone can study a subject in school for years, see bilingual packaging on nearly all products, flip past Radio-Canada while channel surfing daily etc... still not know enough French to order a beer.

No it is not. I learned french in elementary school, that is it. Middle and High school were OPTIONAL. There is french immersion in elementary but that is it. Unless I've been living in a twilight zone or you know something about my education I don't, I'd say you are full of bullshit chum. Nice try.

Say I know french, why the hell would I want to order a beer in French at Boston Pizza in Calgary? Take your time answering that one.

point and match!

[MacDonaill]

Tman1 Tman1:

The concept of 'nation' is pretty obscure in Canada but if you can define what a nation is on your own terms, that's your problem. In Canada and I'm sure most other well minded Canadians consider Canada ONE nation and one nation only. The problem is people like you like to separate each language and ethnicity into a single 'nation' status. That's a problem we don't need. Good bye.

Well, I will agree that most Canadians, including yourself, are probably too illiterate to know the definition of the word 'nation', and the nuances that traditionally differentiate it from the word 'country'. The two are not synonymous.

A nation is a grouping of people who share common history, culture, language and ethnic origin, often possessing or seeking its own government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation

I would say that this definition is pretty much in line with what I and most historians and political/social commentators have said about Canada and its two founding nations, the French and the English.

Up to you, I suppose, to define a 'well-minded Canadian', but if everyone were so convinced that Canada is one nation, I shudder to think how half the population of Quebec and 60% of francophone Quebeckers could have voted to form their own country in 1995.

$1:

No. You made the claim that English-Canada is obsessed with America simply because they speak english... You seem to make the distinction between people who aren't bilingual or don't speak french as...obsessed with America or unworthy, uncultured.

No, I am not saying that English-Canadians are obsessed with the US because they speak English or because they don't speak French or really for any reason. I didn't give a reason at all; I don't know the reason why they are so infatuated with America, I just find they are and that I find it kind of creepy, kind of sad, kind of pathetic for a country with so much potential.

$1:

I can tell you don't live out west as Western Canadians have great appreciation of their own culture (boring as it may be) but is an integral part of Canada. You don't like it, too bad....

Yes, I like Degrassi High too.

What a beautiful homage. Your level of interest in English-Canadian culture speaks for itself. Bravo.

And btw, when did I ever say anything about Western Canada, let alone that it was anything less than an integral part of the country? You tend to extrapolate a lot better than you actually read.

$1:

Say I know french, why the hell would I want to order a beer in French at Boston Pizza in Calgary? Take your time answering that one.

Excuse me for assuming you might ever actually leave your little corner of the Earth, integral part of it as it may be.

Maybe one of these days you'll be at a Boston Pizza in Montreal. You never know...

[Benn]

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

Bullshit. Core French is a part of the basic curriculum in all English provinces. You might not have studied it for 8 years, as the time will obviously vary, but the case remains. Anyway, it wouldn't matter if you were forced to study it for 5 years or 10, you still wouldn't learn it. There are probably many reasons for this, but it's still a bit funny how someone can study a subject in school for years, see bilingual packaging on nearly all products, flip past Radio-Canada while channel surfing daily etc... still not know enough French to order a beer.

And there it is. I love hearing this comment from Francophones out here. It cements them (those who say it) as ignorant of the ROC.

Sure, two hours a week from grade one to six then never heard or used again. French on packages? Sure but like you said about the one French channel they MIGHT get, it is flipped past without even reading it.

Now applying your argument to Francophones themselves they too should know English well enough to order a beer yes? Dude, Gatineau is 30 seconds from Ottawa and there are many out here who can't do that. In fact just this week I heard one would could not order an orange juice and he'd lived that 30 seconds away with majortiy English TV and media for at least 18 years and he did not know how to say Orange Juice in English, or "I want." IF you want I can give you a weekly example of the lack of English knowledge of Francophoes surrounded by English that I come by.

So lets stop the double standard train in its tracks.

[Tman1]

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

Well, I will agree that most Canadians, including yourself, are probably too illiterate to know the definition of the word 'nation', and the nuances that traditionally differentiate it from the word 'country'. The two are not synonymous.

Yet you refer to the revered 'wikipedia' to formulate your argument on the concept of a 'nation'. Like I said, the concept of a nation is so obscure in Canada it seems to cloud the minds of some people. With arrogant pricks like you, you can show the rest of the Canadians the true path of 'nationhood'. Be sure to put 'wikipedia' in when you formulate your argument to the illiterate. Make sure they have internet first. P.S - You might want to read more in depth of that article rather than copy and pasting the first line of it in order to grasp what the term 'nation' is or could mean.

$1:

I would say that this definition is pretty much in line with what I and most historians and political/social commentators have said about Canada and its two founding nations, the French and the English.

I'm glad YOU and most historians are on the same page. When did I disagree with you that the English and French (along with Aboriginal tribes, you left those guys out somehow) were the founding nations in Canada? Was that before or after the Dominion of Canada was formed? Before the BNA act? Before the Plains of Abraham? People like you want to separate the two but I like to think they are one and the same. Canada one nation. Doesn't mean I want to learn french or have to learn french because of my country's foundations nor should I be forced to because of a whiny minority.

$1:

Up to you, I suppose, to define a 'well-minded Canadian', but if everyone were so convinced that Canada is one nation, I shudder to think how half the population of Quebec and 60% of francophone Quebeckers could have voted to form their own country in 1995.

Yet they didn't so why beat a dead horse? Oh, didn't you get the memo? Jacques Parizeau said it was the money and ethnic vote that was the cause but 60% is quite a stretch there eh chump? You don't even get that amount of people at Federal voting.

$1:

No, I am not saying that English-Canadians are obsessed with the US because they speak English or because they don't speak French or really for any reason. I didn't give a reason at all; I don't know the reason why they are so infatuated with America, I just find they are and that I find it kind of creepy, kind of sad, kind of pathetic for a country with so much potential.

You should have ended with, 'I didn't give a reason at all' and save yourself some trouble because it seems you don't 'give reasons at all' for your comments here. News flash chum, Quebec is a part of Canada, being a part of Canada they have their own obsession with the U.S as well like it or not. It's inescapable. English or French. On one point I do agree with you. It is creepy and kind of pathetic that a great country such as this is obsessed with the U.S but it isn't just the English part of this country so get your head out of your ass.

$1:

What a beautiful homage. Your level of interest in English-Canadian culture speaks for itself. Bravo.

Sorry, didn't you claim you know more about English-culture, literature than anybody who lives in Canada? The all knowing mind here?

$1:

For example, I guarantee you that I read more English-Canadian literature and watch more English-Canadian films and television programmes than you or most other English-Canadians ever have or ever will.

Sorry, still looking for that guarantee and you're congratulating me on my homage on English-Canadian culture? Shuffle on.

$1:

Excuse me for assuming you might ever actually leave your little corner of the Earth, integral part of it as it may be.

Maybe one of these days you'll be at a Boston Pizza in Montreal. You never know..

Good thing about Montreal is I don't need to know French..... You didn't answer the question but I'd expect that from you. You seem to expect people to know french for some reason in any part in Canada no matter where it is. That's not how it works in Canada no matter how much you want it to. Majority rules pal. That's how it was when Quebec lost TWO referendums. Hey, I'm glad your french skills do you well. Great. I'm proud of you.

[RUEZ]

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

Well, I will agree that most Canadians, including yourself, are probably too illiterate to know the definition of the word 'nation', and the nuances that traditionally differentiate it from the word 'country'. The two are not synonymous.

I think I'll put that in my sig so everyone here knows what you think of them.