[Tman1]

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

You're the one bitching about cereal boxes, so why don't you actually do the math, because I could personally give a rat's ass. How much extra does one pay for a cereal box with a second language printed on the other side? You seem to be worried about it, so you tell me why I should be.

And to be honest, even if there were no law making bilingual packaging mandatory, it still would be bilingual because when companies want to sell a product nationwide, they tend to not forget the 7 million potential French-speaking customers they could attract simply by putting half the packaging in their language.

Idiotic gripes like this are what really make English-Canadians seem like the world's most ridiculous nation: obsessed with the US, pissed off at Quebec, angry at the tragedy of half a cereal box being in French, a language almost all English Canadians study for about 8 years in public school but still can't read, speak, write or tolerate one bit. Is there any other nation as petty and pathetic as that? Je pense que non.

I'm only following up on what he said and what I say is based on truth and demographics and you come up with this tripe piece of crap term paper. Wait, now you're calling English-Canadians a 'separate' nation....hmmmm how gracious of you and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. Companies sell a product in both languages because it is federal LAW in Canada not because they friggan want to. Apparently that is the way to to business in Canada and the rest of the nation needs to wait 4-10 weeks for a product to come in simply because it needs to be translated in french for 7 million people.

Speaking of being pissed off about language...take a look at your self. Quebec crying, whining, pissing themselves on money, respect and what they don't get within the nation of Canada. Hey, the Seven Years War is over and Quebecers are still obsessed with the 'English-pig, damn Anglos...etc) and you are calling respectable English Canadians being obsessed with the U.S? Goes to show you know nothing about the rest of Canada and its culture which you so grossly misconducted in your latest post in ignorance. Hell, seems you are just as biased with people who DON'T speak french hypocrite.

$1:

a language almost all English Canadians study for about 8 years in public school but still can't read, speak, write or tolerate one bit.

I didn't study 8 years of french in Public school because there is no need of it out here in the west. Somebody wants to learn french they have all the options to it out here but to say all Canadians study french is a laugh and outright dumb.

[ShepherdsDog]

Highschool now? When I was in school 7, 8 and 9 were compulsory, and 10 - 12 were electives.

[Tman1]

Well, I went to school in Alberta and grade 1-6 I think I had to learn french...pretty hazy but middle school and high school were options. I was introduced into it and didn't understand why I needed to learn it which was a great problem with young children in school unless they were french immersion. Glad it's over.

[Tman1]

Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:

English Canada needs to stop getting angry over trivial french issues that really aren't harming anyone and not really inconveniencing anyone else either.

Only MacDonaills bed-wetting is the issue. Nothing else.

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

I'm willing to bet you won't become an astronaut anytime soon either.

Yes, one would require to speak Russian, not French. Good catch.

[uwish]

Well, people can get as emotional as they want over the issue, my previous post stands on its own merit, what happens when the official Francophone population falls below a million? do we still pretend we should be putting Billions into official bilingualism? I think not.

[PimpBrewski123]

To get somewhat on topic, there needs to be a some kind of clean-up on the part of the provincial governement.

Be it from any political parties, PQ, ADQ, PLQ that is in power. The bureaucracy has become too big, thanks to the regime péquiste. The lobby, unions, special interests dictate over the provincial government. Media interests. There are too many protests of all kinds, that represent only a small portion of the populace. There needs to be debt reduction and the same goes for some government programs, especially those of which only purpose to fill the pockets of the special interests and those who have close ties to politicians.

[martin14]

uwish uwish:

Well, people can get as emotional as they want over the issue, my previous post stands on its own merit, what happens when the official Francophone population falls below a million? do we still pretend we should be putting Billions into official bilingualism? I think not.

Don't ever, ever, ever, come to Europe.

[uwish]

Martin my friend I was BORN in the UK!

[MacDonaill]

Bodah Bodah:

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

Then the rest of Canada can wave bye-bye to the only interesting part of the country

Aren't you living in Ontario ?

What does living in Ontario have to do with anything? That doesn't make me an Ontarian, and it doesn't mean I'll never move back to QC.

Frankly, it wouldn't matter if I were living in New Zealand. I fail to make the connexion that you have obviously made.

[MacDonaill]

Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:

See, this is part of the problem for me. Quebecers have this sense of cultural superiority which aggravates the shit out of me. I've seen what the eastern half of this country has to offer, and heard about what it's like out west. It's interesting all over the place, so take your arrogance and shove it. You are helping neither your cause or anyone else by claiming your part of the country is the only interesting part. That's insulting to people from all over the country, and you expect them to be sympathetic to you? Please...

I can totally understand where you're coming from on this one. I suppose it was a little overboard to say the word only... I'd still be willing to say most interesting. But as Bodah pointed out, I'm living in southern Ontario, which I have no compunctions about calling the country's most uninteresting place. It might have jaded me.

$1:

Quebecers need to change their attitude just like the rest of Canada needs to change its attitude toward Quebec but this will probably never happen, least of all in my lifetime.

Agreed.

[MacDonaill]

Bodah Bodah:

uwish uwish:

Well said Arctic, if Mac believe the only thing that keeps us different from the US is Qc then he is more delusional than I thought!

Well Mac is an American after all

Correctamundo. Half Texan, half Québécois. Hell of a breed. Which is why I find it so funny, even embarrassing, to observe English-Canadians' obsession with that country. I could literally talk about it for hours.

[MacDonaill]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

Francophones will continue to demand that their federal government serve them in French, and if the Fed won't oblige, then they will have no reason to continue recognising that government. Then the rest of Canada can wave bye-bye to the only interesting part of the country. Your choice, I guess.

Mac, I don't disagree with your overall opinion, but I am curious...didn't you oppose the proposal to require bilingualism for Supreme Court justices? If so, how do you reconcile these two seeminly conflicting ideas?

No, I don't oppose the proposal. I'm not sure where or if I gave that impression.

That being said, I don't think it is very important whether or not the Supreme Court pretends to be bilingual. I've said it before and I'll say it again: there is no such thing as a truly bilingual work environment. There are only ones where francophones switch to English in the presence of a unilingual anlgo to be polite.

[MacDonaill]

Tman1 Tman1:

I'm only following up on what he said and what I say is based on truth and demographics and you come up with this tripe piece of crap term paper. Wait, now you're calling English-Canadians a 'separate' nation....hmmmm how gracious of you and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

You don't consider English-Canadians a nation? Well, I guess that would put you at odds with history, but that's your problem.

$1:

Companies sell a product in both languages because it is federal LAW in Canada not because they friggan want to. Apparently that is the way to to business in Canada and the rest of the nation needs to wait 4-10 weeks for a product to come in simply because it needs to be translated in french for 7 million people.

There is a law, but what I'm saying is that even without a law, packaging would still be in both languages because yeah, companies both inside and outside Canada actually do what to sell shit to the Francos too. It wouldn't take them long to figure out how. What cost more, making two separate packages, one English, one French, and having to work out where to send what - or - one package with both languages sent everywhere? Makes sense.

$1:

Speaking of being pissed off about language...take a look at your self. Quebec crying, whining, pissing themselves on money, respect and what they don't get within the nation of Canada. Hey, the Seven Years War is over and Quebecers are still obsessed with the 'English-pig, damn Anglos...etc) and you are calling respectable English Canadians being obsessed with the U.S? Goes to show you know nothing about the rest of Canada and its culture which you so grossly misconducted in your latest post in ignorance. Hell, seems you are just as biased with people who DON'T speak french hypocrite.

Trying to make sense of whatever it was you were blabbing about in that paragraph. I guess what you're trying to do is suggest that it's OK for English-Canadians to be obsessed with the US because you believe that in turn, Quebec is negatively obsessed with English-Canada? Do I have that right?

As for English-Canadian culture, it's nothing that escapes me. I actually have a great appreciation for it, and I find it kind of sad that most English-Canadians themselves don't share in that appreciation. For example, I guarantee you that I read more English-Canadian literature and watch more English-Canadian films and television programmes than you or most other English-Canadians ever have or ever will. But that only goes to show my un-Canadianness. If I had grown up here, I'd probably be just as indifferent to all that stuff as everybody else seems to be.

$1:

I didn't study 8 years of french in Public school because there is no need of it out here in the west. Somebody wants to learn french they have all the options to it out here but to say all Canadians study french is a laugh and outright dumb.

Bullshit. Core French is a part of the basic curriculum in all English provinces. You might not have studied it for 8 years, as the time will obviously vary, but the case remains. Anyway, it wouldn't matter if you were forced to study it for 5 years or 10, you still wouldn't learn it. There are probably many reasons for this, but it's still a bit funny how someone can study a subject in school for years, see bilingual packaging on nearly all products, flip past Radio-Canada while channel surfing daily etc... still not know enough French to order a beer.

[MacDonaill]

Tman1 Tman1:

Only MacDonaills bed-wetting is the issue. Nothing else.

Yeah... of course.

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

I'm willing to bet you won't become an astronaut anytime soon either.

$1:

Yes, one would require to speak Russian, not French. Good catch.

I said astronaut, not cosmonaut. But thanks for playing.

Btw, ever heard of the European Space Agency? Wanna take a guess at which country it's located in? I'll give you a hint: they like wine and cheese.

[Arctic_Menace]

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

I can totally understand where you're coming from on this one. I suppose it was a little overboard to say the word only... I'd still be willing to say most interesting. But as Bodah pointed out, I'm living in southern Ontario, which I have no compunctions about calling the country's most uninteresting place. It might have jaded me.

Well southern Ontario is pretty uninteresting. Quebec, to be fair is very interesting but I've had just as much fun and seen as much culture in the Maritimes. Even out west there's culture, but Quebec certainly has its own thing going on. At least you can admit it, which is a step in the right direction.

$1:

Agreed.