[CommanderSock]

RUEZ RUEZ:

CommanderSock CommanderSock:

ManifestDestiny_Muslim_version ManifestDestiny_Muslim_version:

Kill em all let Jesus Christ sort em out!

You are all cut from the same cloth. If you took an extremist and flipped him like a coin, one side would be muslim, one side could be christian. Pick your side, they're both the same pile of shit.

I've known a lot of Christians in my life, not one of them wanted to kill anyone or hurt anyone. Not one of them hated a group of people because of who they were or what they believed.

You've not been to East Europe then. Or in the Midwestern States? There's plenty of them. The media spotlight is not on them.

[Ruxpercnd]

This is a pretty complicated situation. There is an active war going on at the border. Pakistan is unconsolidated in every way. There are folks there with widely divergent views, although I am sure nobody wants U.S. troops warring in their country.



Pakistan Pursues Diplomacy With US on Border Raids
Pakistan backs off threats over US cross-border raids, says it wants diplomatic solution
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wir ... id=5794272

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....Pakistan's government eased its rhetoric Saturday against unilateral U.S. attacks on militant havens near the Afghan border, saying it hopes quiet diplomacy will persuade Washington that the raids only inflame sentiment against leaders of both countries.

Defense Minister Ahmad Mukhtar claimed Washington already has agreed to curtail its military activities against militants in Pakistan, although a missile strike Friday killed at least 12 people....

This is only one response from Pakistan, I am sure there are others...

[RUEZ]

CommanderSock CommanderSock:

RUEZ RUEZ:

CommanderSock CommanderSock:

You are all cut from the same cloth. If you took an extremist and flipped him like a coin, one side would be muslim, one side could be christian. Pick your side, they're both the same pile of shit.

I've known a lot of Christians in my life, not one of them wanted to kill anyone or hurt anyone. Not one of them hated a group of people because of who they were or what they believed.

You've not been to East Europe then. Or in the Midwestern States? There's plenty of them. The media spotlight is not on them.

Who is you all then? All Christians? All Muslims? All extremists?

[CommanderSock]

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Who is you all then? All Christians? All Muslims? All extremists?

Extremists of any religion or creed.

Religious extremists (Al Queda, Mijahadeen, RNS, etc)
Ethno-centric extremist (KKK, Black Panther party, etc)
Political Extremists (Farc, etc)

Extremism in any form is disastrous.

[RUEZ]

CommanderSock CommanderSock:

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Who is you all then? All Christians? All Muslims? All extremists?

Extremists of any religion or creed.

Religious extremists (Al Queda, Mijahadeen, RNS, etc)
Ethno-centric extremist (KKK, Black Panther party, etc)
Political Extremists (Farc, etc)

Extremism in any form is disastrous.

Ok, but to be fair the only Christian extremists I can think of are the ones that picket abortion clinics or soldiers funerals. That's a far cry from cutting peoples heads off. Not to mention that we are always told that true Muslims are taught to be peaceful and respectful of laws, which is what Christians are taught as well. Therefore I would argue that people that don't follow these practices aren't true Muslims or Christians.

[CommanderSock]

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Ok, but to be fair the only Christian extremists I can think of are the ones that picket abortion clinics or soldiers funerals. That's a far cry from cutting peoples heads off. Not to mention that we are always told that true Muslims are taught to be peaceful and respectful of laws, which is what Christians are taught as well. Therefore I would argue that people that don't follow these practices aren't true Muslims or Christians.

It's not Islam that's fucked. It's the culture that many of these people have adopted in pre-Islamic times. Mohammed (real prophet or not) tried to change their oppressive and tribalist ways, however the whole thing got perverted and twisted into one massive cultural-religious mess.

Europeans (Greeks, Macedons, etc) had discovered liberty already around 500BC, and expanded its concept well into the twilight of the Roman Empire. The Christians took these liberties away, but the concept was ingrained deep in the culture and all Europpeans did was re-discover it during the renaissance.

This was a period when Islam was in a golden age and they led the world scientifically. They also had the world's largest library and stored many texts that the Christians had burned during their campaign of terror.

However the muslim world has always been a beacon of oppression. In pre-Islamic times. The Kingdom of Babylon had a system very similar to serfdom, with wealthy landowners literally holding all wealth and political power. Other parts of the non urbanised pre muslim world had remained largely tribal. The concept of liberty, even during the Hellenistic period didn't take root.

I can't be arsed to type anymore, but you get the idea, throw in religion to this tribal society, and it's like watching explosive compounds ignite.

The biggest problem of all is that the majority of people in the muslim world are poor, and oppressed, due to failed policies of the theocrats (and dictators). The poor masses have began to equate the rich business-men who treat them like cattle with the western middle and upper classes (even though there is no connection) and this is where much of the hatred is festered.