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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:10 pm
 


Let's not get sidetracked into discussing Original Sin or other Christian doctrine unless it is immediately relevant to the debate at hand.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:12 pm
 


Benoit Benoit:
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It is not a question of hate but of rationality.


No its hate. Your reason for wanting them baptised in the womb if necessary is so that if they die before normal baptismal time they won't be condemned to limbo or purgatory or whatever isn't it?

The whole original sin thing right? Every human being is automatically a sinner because of what adam did eh?

That to me is the definition of irrationality and hatred.


God is not discounting the future like humans do.


Then your god has no need for baptism.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:21 pm
 


DerbyX DerbyX:
Benoit Benoit:
God is not discounting the future like humans do.


Then your god has no need for baptism.


Baptism (that is the total immersion in water) is a kind of symbolic resurrection by which God tells to humans the whole story about life.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:28 pm
 


I have baths and I don't know the whole story of life. Why is that?


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:30 pm
 


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I have baths and I don't know the whole story of life.


Immersion of the head means death. The death of an individual means more room for life.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:31 pm
 


Tman1 Tman1:
I have baths and I don't know the whole story of life. Why is that?


ROTFL ROTFL ROTFL

Thanks for having me spew my oj all over my laptop :lol:


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:33 pm
 


Benoit Benoit:
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I have baths and I don't know the whole story of life.


Immersion of the head means death. The death of an individual means more room for life.

I'll remember that next time I scuba dive.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:33 pm
 


Brenda Brenda:
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I have baths and I don't know the whole story of life. Why is that?


ROTFL ROTFL ROTFL

Thanks for having me spew my oj all over my laptop :lol:


It was nausea.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:35 pm
 


Benoit Benoit:
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I have baths and I don't know the whole story of life. Why is that?


ROTFL ROTFL ROTFL

Thanks for having me spew my oj all over my laptop :lol:


It was nausea.


No not really...

What makes you think you can look at what I am doing? 8O 8O 8O
Get yer spycams outta my house!! 8O 8O


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Mery Dennett helped found the National Birth Control League (NBCL) and led the organization from 1915 until 1918. The NBCL disintegrated in 1919 as Mary Dennett created a new organization, the Voluntary Parenthood League (VPL), which became the principal rival of Margaret Sanger's American Birth Control League (ABCL) during the 1920s.


She was not the founded of planned parenthood however you put it. She was mearly the most controversial person in a bunch of women who brought these organizations to existence and because her additional beliefs can be attacked, pro-lifers have decided she was the founding member so that they can attack the entire movement by proxy.

Her eugenic beliefs have nothing to do with any of the philosophies and services offered by every single modern descenent organzation.

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Unsavory tactics? How is advocating against something you sincerely regard as murder "unsavory?" I grant that if they try to present themselves as a completely unbiased party, that would be wrong, but how is their perspective harming anyone?


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What happens at a CPC?

CPCs have used tactics intended to delay and even harass or intimidate women from having abortions. For example, CPCs have been known to extend the waiting period for pregnancy test results to expose women to their anti-choice or religious propaganda. While women wait, CPCs often present them with videos and pictures depicting gruesome and graphic images of bloody and dismembered fetuses that have allegedly been aborted as a scare tactic in their effort to compel women not to have abortions.20

When the pregnancy results are revealed they may be presented in ways that are ambiguous21 or even false.22 Women also have received unwanted calls at their homes from CPCs urging them to not have an abortion following a visit, a clear violation of their privacy.23

What kinds of misinformation do CPCs give women?

Although many CPCs claim to provide options counseling both over the phone and in person,24 in reality they do not provide women with information about their full reproductive health options. For example, women are told that some birth control methods, especially emergency contraception (also known as the morning after pill), are actually abortifacients.25

s mislead women about abortion procedures. Women are told that abortions are painful, life-threatening procedures that will leave them with long-term emotional, physical, and psychological damage.26 They are often told that having an abortion will put them at higher risk for developing breast cancer, post-traumatic stress disorder, infertility, and other serious medical conditions.27


Dishonest, unsavory, illegal, disgusting, ..... All of the above.

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I strongly disagree here. Planned Parenthood does not present keeping the fetus as as viable an option as abortion. Them trying to present themselves as unbiased is at least as wrong as CPCs attempting to do so, if such a thing occurs.


A lie told by those very same people resorting to unsavory tactics. Planned parenthood is just that. They help women decide if parenthood is right for them and if not what choice would they prefer. What happens is that because they don't tell women that having the child is the only option they get accused of not providing any option. Thats hardly surprising considering that their critics only consider 1 option so it seems reasonable that they believe their opponents favour only 1 option as well.

Lies and misinformation are the bread and butter of the religious pro-life movement so they see dishonesty everywhere they look.

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Violating confidentiality? Do you mean neglecting to report statutory rape and other crimes? Planned Parenthood has been known to do so.


That is upholding confidentiality if you understand the word. Planned parenthood protects the confindentiality of their patients even if it conflicts with the law as does all medical professions and legal professions as well.

Lets talk about women going into CPCs and when it seems they may still want to get a pregnancy then their names are "accidentily" leaked whereby theu suffer harrasing phonecalls night and day as well as people miraculously showing up on their doorstepo telling them they will butn in hell.

Once again I will side with the organization dedicated to helping women rather then the one comitted to stopping abortion at all costs.

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Birth is natural, although it may be an assisted. A doctor performing an abortion is decidedly not so.


Really? Ancient cultures have recipes for contraceptives and abortificants going back to the start od recorded history. Primitive cultures such as the yanomamo practice infanticide as birth control. The males decide if they can handle more children in the tribe and if they can't then they simply leave the infant on the jungle floor to meet its fate.

Abortion is as old as humanity and far older then religion.

That still doesn't address the fact that birth carries with it health risks to the female just as severe.

Dying is natural too. So what?


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:38 pm
 


Benoit Benoit:
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God is not discounting the future like humans do.


Then your god has no need for baptism.


Baptism (that is the total immersion in water) is a kind of symbolic resurrection by which God tells to humans the whole story about life.


Snow White lived with seven dwarfs.

We can swap fairy tales all night long.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:40 pm
 


In their mothers' wombs, fetus expose their mother to diabetes to get the sugar they need.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:41 pm
 


Dying from giving birth isn't really commonplace...anymore, so it shouldn't really be an issue compared to an abortive procedure.

The order of Canada is a joke and giving somebody the supposed highest honour in Canada for perfecting the ability to kill fetus'...come on. What about all the soldiers dying for this country? The scientists who come up with new cures? You don't have to be pro-choice or anti-abortionist for this, this is just.....dumb.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:42 pm
 


You fail to recognize that Planned Parenthood is an organization just as biased as the CPCs you continue to deride. Abortion procedures can be very painful, life-threatening procedure for the women. There is an increased risk of cancer that has been cited in several studies. Planned Parenthood whitewashes these things just as CPCs avoid as much as possible the prospect of abortion. Acknowledge their bias. ACKNOWLEDGE IT! :lol:


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:42 pm
 


Benoit Benoit:
In their mothers' wombs, fetus expose their mother to diabetes to get the sugar they need.

Oh FFS... Not every woman suggers from that while she is pregnant.


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