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Title: Ontario has no credible plan to shrink its debt burden | Fraser Institute
Category: Provincial Politics
Posted By: shockedcanadian
Date: 2016-08-09 08:55:22
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[shockedcanadian]

Fraser Institute also has a great .pdf that compares Ontarios debt to Californias. It is a great read and illustrates just how much Ontario has destroyed Canada, and we haven't even reached the bottom yet, far from it. Selling assets doesn't make you a great business manager.

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/d ... fornia.pdf

The free falling picture in the .pdf says it all.


So all of this theft and not one arrest? No clear examples of theft, abuse of influence, bribery, cronyism? Some politicians in Ontario need to see the inside of a prison and if the OPP, RCMP and their incompetent pals can't make an arrest, some of those enabling these activities needs to share a cell with them.

[BartSimpson]

What's not counted in the Fraser analysis of California's debt is the crushing debt that is found in the underfunded pension programs the state runs.

[shockedcanadian]

Bart, if you think Ontario should be anywhere near a pension program than I advise you to keep your money real close. Ontario will be lucky if it can avoid insolvency.

In California you have a massive economy, at one time in the early 2000's as a separate entity it would have been the 7th largest NATION economy in the world. I dislike debt in general, as tax payers pay enough to keep the system operating if managed properly. However, there are certain instances in which short term debt makes sense, only in times of growth and expansion. In Canada debt is taken to reward loyal government employees. It is sinking the nation, lead by Ontario. Don't be fooled by those who suggest Canada is a free market economy, it is nothing of the sort. Worse, expressing an opinion about government accountability and responsible government will cause you harm by the "powers that be".

The province put forward the idea of a Provincial Pension Plan, it spent millions of dollars even though it isn't going forward. Wynne flip-flopped on the idea, though I imagine she can always revisit it next election to get votes. Based on early analysis of the plan, it looked like a scheme and a half.

Citizens should be able to earn enough to save for their own retirement. To pursue their dreams to own a home and generally excel if they apply their effort and talents. Consider electricity costs and other massive expenses to the citizens of the province, low discretionary income, record high unsustainable debt and you are looking at a major disaster that will not be averted. Toronto hasn't even experienced their housing bubble burst yet, stay tuned.

[BartSimpson]

http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-gov ... 68532.html

It's a public employees pension plan that's causing the problems.

[Proculation]

shockedcanadian shockedcanadian:

Fraser Institute also has a great .pdf that compares Ontarios debt to Californias. It is a great read and illustrates just how much Ontario has destroyed Canada, and we haven't even reached the bottom yet, far from it. Selling assets doesn't make you a great business manager.

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/d ... fornia.pdf

The free falling picture in the .pdf says it all.


So all of this theft and not one arrest? No clear examples of theft, abuse of influence, bribery, cronyism? Some politicians in Ontario need to see the inside of a prison and if the OPP, RCMP and their incompetent pals can't make an arrest, some of those enabling these activities needs to share a cell with them.

The biggest provinces in Canada are in a match for the biggest debt/GDP...

[shockedcanadian]

Proculation Proculation:

shockedcanadian shockedcanadian:

Fraser Institute also has a great .pdf that compares Ontarios debt to Californias. It is a great read and illustrates just how much Ontario has destroyed Canada, and we haven't even reached the bottom yet, far from it. Selling assets doesn't make you a great business manager.

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/d ... fornia.pdf

The free falling picture in the .pdf says it all.


So all of this theft and not one arrest? No clear examples of theft, abuse of influence, bribery, cronyism? Some politicians in Ontario need to see the inside of a prison and if the OPP, RCMP and their incompetent pals can't make an arrest, some of those enabling these activities needs to share a cell with them.

The biggest provinces in Canada are in a match for the biggest debt/GDP...

Indeed, Quebec is no Saint. The difference however, is they have their debt somewhat under control. It isn't on a perpetual crash course with infinity. Also, there were some high profile arrests of politicians selling influence and bribery if I recall correctly. There are consequences for being crooks.

Canada is in for a very rough couple of decades.

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[BeaverFever]

Fraser Institute is not credible, and as discussed in numerous threads, neither is 90s era debt fear-mongering.

[Proculation]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Fraser Institute is not credible, and as discussed in numerous threads, neither is 90s era debt fear-mongering.

Tell that to us, Quebecers, with the government having to cut in all services to control the debt for not having our debt rating downgraded and pay more billions than the 11-12 billions we are paying each year in deb interest only...

[PluggyRug]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Fraser Institute is not credible, and as discussed in numerous threads, neither is 90s era debt fear-mongering.

And your opinion is?

[Winnipegger]

News announcements have already stated Ontario has the largest debt of any sub-sovereign entity in the world.
Financial Post: With twice the debt of California, Ontario is now the world’s most indebted sub-sovereign borrower

$1:

Ontario, the world’s most indebted sub-sovereign borrower, is ploughing ahead with Canada’s most ambitious infrastructure plan — risking the censure of Standard & Poor’s and underperformance for its $307 billion of bonds.

The nation’s most-populous province is keeping a goal of spending $130 billion over the next decade on work such as roads and mass transit in Toronto even after S&P dropped its credit grade this month to the lowest level ever. Yield spreads on some of the province’s debt reached the widest since January after the ratings move.

Ps. I lived in Toronto from July 1987 to July 1990.

[2Cdo]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Fraser Institute is not credible, and as discussed in numerous threads, neither is 90s era debt fear-mongering.

And your opinion is?

It's not credible when addressing Liberal deficits and debt.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Fraser Institute is not credible, and as discussed in numerous threads, neither is 90s era debt fear-mongering.

And your opinion is?

It's not credible when addressing Liberal deficits and debt.

Partisans gotta partisan.

[BeaverFever]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Fraser Institute is not credible, and as discussed in numerous threads, neither is 90s era debt fear-mongering.

And your opinion is?

It's not credible when addressing Liberal deficits and debt.

It's a right wing think tank, never credible.