[DerbyX]

ryan29 ryan29:

DerbyX DerbyX:

RUEZ RUEZ:

I was under the impression that the Premier of Ontario was responsible for Ontario. Wait till the other provinces here about this. Now you can just blame your provinces weak economic outcome on the federal government. Unless of course the Liberals win the next election, then it will become a provincial problem again.

You have that backwards. When the Liberals were in charge every province blamed every problem they had on the federal gov't.

It was a standard tactic done especially by conservative western provinces.

Hell, when the beef ban hit despite the fact it was done because of Alberta cows testing positive and the Klein infamous "shoot, shovel, and shut up" comment, the whole affair was blamed entirely on the Liberals.

Turnabouts fair play.

well anyways i agree alot of provinced did in the past balmes things on ottawa . that isn't new . but seriously can daltom mcguinty at least except some responsibilty for the affairs and state of economy in his own province ? mean he is in charge and needs to start acting like a premier and not someone who points fingers and plays the blame game .

if the ontario economy is in trouble then its his job as premier to find a solution to the problem and work with other goverments like federal one to find solutions for ontario residents .

1) Learn proper capitalization.

2) Dalton is accepting responsibility. We have posted time and again that he is doing what he can. The problem is that as its a US recession their is so little he can do (or Ottawa for that matter).

3) Harper easily deserves as much blame if not more for many reasons that have already been pointed out.

[DerbyX]

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

DerbyX DerbyX:

RUEZ RUEZ:

I was under the impression that the Premier of Ontario was responsible for Ontario. Wait till the other provinces here about this. Now you can just blame your provinces weak economic outcome on the federal government. Unless of course the Liberals win the next election, then it will become a provincial problem again.

You have that backwards. When the Liberals were in charge every province blamed every problem they had on the federal gov't.

It was a standard tactic done especially by conservative western provinces.

Hell, when the beef ban hit despite the fact it was done because of Alberta cows testing positive and the Klein infamous "shoot, shovel, and shut up" comment, the whole affair was blamed entirely on the Liberals.

Turnabouts fair play.

That's probably because Martin balanced his budgets by downloading responsibilities onto the provinces. Now that being said I can't really say the Conservatives are any better because they have continued to use the same formulations for payments to the provinces that the previous Liberal government used with little or no changes.

The other side of that coin is that because the feds were running a deficit at the same time as transfer billions to the provinces that the provinces (or the people if you will) were getting more services then they were paying for.

All of that aside this poll is just about who gets the blame and humanity being what we are people want to blame somebody.

Unless we are willing to fund a massive corporate welfare program we are going to have to suck it up in terms of an ailing auto industry. Personally I'm not blaming either the feds or provincial gov't for something that is essentially a US centred recession.

Let the private industry sort it out and let our taxes focus more on job retraining and promoting growth in other industries, something Dalton is doing and as all evidence shows is doing a good job.

Personally I don't Harper in the least for the current situation in Ontario beyond his dismal federal budget moves and failure to make debt repayment a much larger priority.

I just thinks its perfectly fair that the Tories shoulder alot of blame over it because the Libs were forced to also.

Again, turnabout is fairplay in my eyes.

[Mustang1]

DerbyX DerbyX:

ryan29 ryan29:

DerbyX DerbyX:

RUEZ RUEZ:

I was under the impression that the Premier of Ontario was responsible for Ontario. Wait till the other provinces here about this. Now you can just blame your provinces weak economic outcome on the federal government. Unless of course the Liberals win the next election, then it will become a provincial problem again.

You have that backwards. When the Liberals were in charge every province blamed every problem they had on the federal gov't.

It was a standard tactic done especially by conservative western provinces.

Hell, when the beef ban hit despite the fact it was done because of Alberta cows testing positive and the Klein infamous "shoot, shovel, and shut up" comment, the whole affair was blamed entirely on the Liberals.

Turnabouts fair play.

well anyways i agree alot of provinced did in the past balmes things on ottawa . that isn't new . but seriously can daltom mcguinty at least except some responsibilty for the affairs and state of economy in his own province ? mean he is in charge and needs to start acting like a premier and not someone who points fingers and plays the blame game .

if the ontario economy is in trouble then its his job as premier to find a solution to the problem and work with other goverments like federal one to find solutions for ontario residents .

1) Learn proper capitalization.

2) Dalton is accepting responsibility. We have posted time and again that he is doing what he can. The problem is that as its a US recession their is so little he can do (or Ottawa for that matter).

3) Harper easily deserves as much blame if not more for many reasons that have already been pointed out.

How about the partisan shrill simply learn POLITICS! Oh...and if you want to help Ontario's economy try readdressing equalization payments as Simpson (and Danny Williams) suggested.

[Mustang1]

DerbyX DerbyX:

ryan29 ryan29:

DerbyX DerbyX:

RUEZ RUEZ:

I was under the impression that the Premier of Ontario was responsible for Ontario. Wait till the other provinces here about this. Now you can just blame your provinces weak economic outcome on the federal government. Unless of course the Liberals win the next election, then it will become a provincial problem again.

You have that backwards. When the Liberals were in charge every province blamed every problem they had on the federal gov't.

It was a standard tactic done especially by conservative western provinces.

Hell, when the beef ban hit despite the fact it was done because of Alberta cows testing positive and the Klein infamous "shoot, shovel, and shut up" comment, the whole affair was blamed entirely on the Liberals.

Turnabouts fair play.

well anyways i agree alot of provinced did in the past balmes things on ottawa . that isn't new . but seriously can daltom mcguinty at least except some responsibilty for the affairs and state of economy in his own province ? mean he is in charge and needs to start acting like a premier and not someone who points fingers and plays the blame game .

if the ontario economy is in trouble then its his job as premier to find a solution to the problem and work with other goverments like federal one to find solutions for ontario residents .

1) Learn proper capitalization.

2) Dalton is accepting responsibility. We have posted time and again that he is doing what he can. The problem is that as its a US recession their is so little he can do (or Ottawa for that matter).

3) Harper easily deserves as much blame if not more for many reasons that have already been pointed out.

How about the partisan shrill simply learn POLITICS! Oh...and if you want to help Ontario's economy try readdressing equalization payments as Simpson (and Danny Williams) suggested.

[ryan29]

DerbyX DerbyX:

ryan29 ryan29:

DerbyX DerbyX:

RUEZ RUEZ:

I was under the impression that the Premier of Ontario was responsible for Ontario. Wait till the other provinces here about this. Now you can just blame your provinces weak economic outcome on the federal government. Unless of course the Liberals win the next election, then it will become a provincial problem again.

You have that backwards. When the Liberals were in charge every province blamed every problem they had on the federal gov't.

It was a standard tactic done especially by conservative western provinces.

Hell, when the beef ban hit despite the fact it was done because of Alberta cows testing positive and the Klein infamous "shoot, shovel, and shut up" comment, the whole affair was blamed entirely on the Liberals.

Turnabouts fair play.

well anyways i agree alot of provinced did in the past balmes things on ottawa . that isn't new . but seriously can daltom mcguinty at least except some responsibilty for the affairs and state of economy in his own province ? mean he is in charge and needs to start acting like a premier and not someone who points fingers and plays the blame game .

if the ontario economy is in trouble then its his job as premier to find a solution to the problem and work with other goverments like federal one to find solutions for ontario residents .

1) Learn proper capitalization.

2) Dalton is accepting responsibility. We have posted time and again that he is doing what he can. The problem is that as its a US recession their is so little he can do (or Ottawa for that matter).

3) Harper easily deserves as much blame if not more for many reasons that have already been pointed out.

when has dalton excepted responsibilty , he ran an entire election campaign around an issue that had absolutely nothing to do with the economy and he has argued with flaherty like crazy and blamed everthing from gas prices to equalization formual . he has yet to except any responsibilty for this .

and how can harper be held responsible for one single provinces economy , if by these standards then is he resposible for the wests booming economy ? should the media start crediting him for that if he is to blame for ontario's problems , mean if he is suddenly responsible for individual provinces economies right ?

[Mustang1]

Is someone actually suggesting that equalization ISN'T an issue? I guess Jeffrey Simpson and Danny Williams are wrong, but Hotel Management major knows more.

[EyeBrock]

I can’t see how we can blame the economic woes of Ontario on Harper. The provincial Liberals have raised taxes (The extra $140 a month I pay with the ‘health-care premium’ is not forgotten) to all time highs. We have a huge reliance on the auto-industry which is tanking. The resources being tapped in Alberta have seen the dollar rise to parity, making Ontario even less competitive to our biggest export market and corporate taxes are still way too high. A lot of these issues are either provincial or outside the federal government’s control.

Still, if you make 1000 phone calls to people in the GTA you won’t find a warm fuzzy reception to the Tories on any matter, no matter who’s fault anything is.
The Liberals can count on blind support from the 60% or so chunk of the population who are immigrants. A result of years of propaganda aimed at the immigrant vote, convincing them, rightly or wrongly, that only the Liberals can help them out.

If the question was asked “Do you blame the Tories for the cyclone in Burma?” 58% of those phone-polled in Toronto would agree.

[kashmyre]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I can’t see how we can blame the economic woes of Ontario on Harper. The provincial Liberals have raised taxes (The extra $140 a month I pay with the ‘health-care premium’ is not forgotten) to all time highs. We have a huge reliance on the auto-industry which is tanking. The resources being tapped in Alberta have seen the dollar rise to parity, making Ontario even less competitive to our biggest export market and corporate taxes are still way too high. A lot of these issues are either provincial or outside the federal government’s control.

Still, if you make 1000 phone calls to people in the GTA you won’t find a warm fuzzy reception to the Tories on any matter, no matter who’s fault anything is.
The Liberals can count on blind support from the 60% or so chunk of the population who are immigrants. A result of years of propaganda aimed at the immigrant vote, convincing them, rightly or wrongly, that only the Liberals can help them out.

If the question was asked “Do you blame the Tories for the cyclone in Burma?” 58% of those phone-polled in Toronto would agree.

Damn, you took my argument.
This was my first response when seeing that the article came from the STAR of all places. No bias against Cons there. Just once I'd like to see a poll where no one from Toronto is spoken to. Then it might be believable.