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Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:27 am
Which is why so may pipelines are in the works. It's cheaper and safer to ship by pipeline.
I laugh at Greenpeace today, because they are occupying a pumping station in Ontairo to protest something or another, and saying rail is an unsafe way to transport oil.
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Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:34 am
DrCaleb DrCaleb: Which is why so may pipelines are in the works. It's cheaper and safer to ship by pipeline.
I laugh at Greenpeace today, because they are occupying a pumping station in Ontairo to protest something or another, and saying rail is an unsafe way to transport oil. Those morons don't want oil transported at all.
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Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:51 am
When I bring up the safety advantages of pipelines vs. rail, people usually tell me that pipelines are bad because they can still fail.
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Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:52 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson: DrCaleb DrCaleb: Which is why so may pipelines are in the works. It's cheaper and safer to ship by pipeline.
I laugh at Greenpeace today, because they are occupying a pumping station in Ontairo to protest something or another, and saying rail is an unsafe way to transport oil. Those morons don't want oil transported at all. I wonder how they get to and from their protests? Surely they don't use oil, or any oil based product? [/sarcasm]
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Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:53 am
DanSC DanSC: When I bring up the safety advantages of pipelines vs. rail, people usually tell me that pipelines are bad because they can still fail. Everything can fail. What fails less often, and with fewer secondary concequences? Pipelines.
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Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:53 am
TYeah, Greenpeace are kind of like the marketing wing of your company. Good at getting the product lots of attention, but don't really under stand the product.
Thats siad, in light of recent events, I imagine train transport of crude will come under more scrutiny as the tragedy at Lac Megantic unfolds.
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Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:58 am
Hopefully the pipeline will get moving sooner rather than later.
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Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:05 am
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So many pipelines..so little spillage. "we just don't want your damn dirty Alberta tarsands oil to be sold"
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Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:20 am
DrCaleb DrCaleb: Which is why so may pipelines are in the works. It's cheaper and safer to ship by pipeline.
I laugh at Greenpeace today, because they are occupying a pumping station in Ontairo to protest something or another, and saying rail is an unsafe way to transport oil. It's the same argument I brought up a few months ago in the debate over Northern Gateway. As long as there is demand for it, oil is going to get shipped one way or another and pipelines are far safer than 80-100 car trains barrelling through the Rockies. But that's probably what is going to happen if NG is cancelled - even with this disaster.
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Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:35 am
DrCaleb DrCaleb: BartSimpson BartSimpson: DrCaleb DrCaleb: Which is why so may pipelines are in the works. It's cheaper and safer to ship by pipeline.
I laugh at Greenpeace today, because they are occupying a pumping station in Ontairo to protest something or another, and saying rail is an unsafe way to transport oil. Those morons don't want oil transported at all. I wonder how they get to and from their protests? Surely they don't use oil, or any oil based product? [/sarcasm] Oi........
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Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:17 am
I remember some years back, Warren Buffet bought a railroad line, invested in others and said that the economic recovery will come from railroads. Some bad mouths even said that he used his friendship with Obama to stall the Keystone XL pipeline.
Well, again, Buffet was right and he sure made a lot of money with those oil shipments.
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Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:25 am
bootlegga bootlegga: DrCaleb DrCaleb: Which is why so may pipelines are in the works. It's cheaper and safer to ship by pipeline.
I laugh at Greenpeace today, because they are occupying a pumping station in Ontairo to protest something or another, and saying rail is an unsafe way to transport oil. It's the same argument I brought up a few months ago in the debate over Northern Gateway. As long as there is demand for it, oil is going to get shipped one way or another and pipelines are far safer than 80-100 car trains barrelling through the Rockies. But that's probably what is going to happen if NG is cancelled - even with this disaster. I said it too, build the pipelines or the companies that want money for their resources will just use rail or truck transport. Which would be far worse environmetally. I think we should also tax raw bitumen exports. Refined synthetic crude oil is somewhat less toxic, and that is what should be shipped. Or refined products in general.
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Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:29 am
DanSC DanSC: When I bring up the safety advantages of pipelines vs. rail, people usually tell me that pipelines are bad because they can still fail. They can and do. Plains Midstream just got nailed to the wall by the Alberta govt for a series of leaks due to their poor preventative maintenance. Thing is when a pipeline blows it usually doesn't have the chance to kill multiple numbers of people the way a bad enough rail accident can. That's the point the eco-freaks don't get, not that they care about how many people die in any sort of incident anywhere. According to them and their quasi religious fanatacism we're all just viruses killing a sentient mother earth. If scientists take measures to control or eradicate a real virus though, like AIDS or the black death, a lot of these tools flip out and say we have no right to eliminate another lifeform. Typical CBC commenters section thinking FYI.
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Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:32 am
DrCaleb DrCaleb: I said it too, build the pipelines or the companies that want money for their resources will just use rail or truck transport. Which would be far worse environmetally.
I think we should also tax raw bitumen exports. Refined synthetic crude oil is somewhat less toxic, and that is what should be shipped. Or refined products in general. Is it not also much cheaper to send as a result of being less viscous?
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