[martin14]

andyt andyt:

The trips to Paris and Istanbul or where have you were to research legal heroin as relates to Insite. Bullshit, but who's to say different.

$1:

a November 2009 trip to New York City, charged by Mr. Townsend and Ms. Evans. A stay at the fabulous Plaza Hotel, for $9,266.

Yep. because we all know only the best junkies stay at the Plaza.
That where all the heroin is, for you know, research.

It figures you are unable to criticize your sacred cows, and try to blame this on
government oversight. The fact that these people lived very well while trying to whine about helping the poor.

Looks like they helped themselves first, and the poor were at the bottom of the list.

And yet, you have the "They didn do nuthin wrong, it wuz da gummint" kind of apologist BS.


They shouldn't be held accountable because no one was controlling them ?


To quote Sandorski,





FAIL.

[andyt]

Fuck you're an idiot. Read what I wrote again. Maybe get somebody to help you with the interpretation.

[andyt]

It's not the department that oversees societies. It's BC Housing and Coast Health. They're the ones funnelling money to PHS. But these are supposed to be overseen by the relevant ministries, and such the relevant ministers. BC Housing had indications that things were going wrong in 2002 but would not release the audits. How can it take this long to finally act?

There are no laws broken, I believe, because the oversight was so lax. PHS executive could set their own rules about what was appropriate spending. So they could do bullshit things like investigate legal heroin on trips to Paris at $900 hotel rooms, with nobody to say that wasn't on.

AFAIK Kwan is waiting to see if hubby will pay back her expenses. Hard to know if she knew what, but as FOG points out, she's in with those people like a dirty shirt, Doestn' look good for her. but really doesn't look good for the Liberals. Where's the vaunted money management sense they're supposed to have?

[Freakinoldguy]

andyt andyt:

Where's the vaunted money management sense they're supposed to have?

To see the vaunted money management you ask about all you have to do is take a look at your Hydro Bill, your ICBC Insurance Costs, your MSP rates, BC Ferries Rates, education and my favorite, the promise of untold wealth because of natural gas that will never come to pass since they missed the boat by about 6 years.

The terms money sense and BC Liberals should be considered the ultimate oxymoron. I would never have believed it but, crispy and her court have actually managed to fuck up the province's finances even worse than their predecessors and yet remain in power which isn't exactly a ringing endorsement for the NDP or BC Conservatives, is it.

[martin14]

andyt andyt:

It's not the department that oversees societies. It's BC Housing and Coast Health. They're the ones funnelling money to PHS.

As usual, andy blaming the gov't, because he can't bring himself to blame the thieves themselves.

They are heroes. it wasn't the fault of PHS the money got stolen.

Oh wait...

[andyt]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

andyt andyt:

Where's the vaunted money management sense they're supposed to have?

To see the vaunted money management you ask about all you have to do is take a look at your Hydro Bill, your ICBC Insurance Costs, your MSP rates, BC Ferries Rates, education and my favorite, the promise of untold wealth because of natural gas that will never come to pass since they missed the boat by about 6 years.

The terms money sense and BC Liberals should be considered the ultimate oxymoron. I would never have believed it but, crispy and her court have actually managed to fuck up the province's finances even worse than their predecessors and yet remain in power which isn't exactly a ringing endorsement for the NDP or BC Conservatives, is it.

Well, I won't go that far. All Chrispy has done is continue Gordo's scheme of keeping income taxes low and using the schemes you mention, among others to raise revenue instead. Personally I think using the progressive income tax system instead of regressive fees is a better idea, but that's just the lefty in me talking. Guess I finally figured out where Fiddledick got his "prog" from.

Gotta at least give the Libs credit for being pro resource development vs the NoDevelopmentParty. I was all for Dix until he made that stupid Kinder Morgan Decision. But this PHS debacle shows that there's probably all kinds of money the govt could find in savings if they just watched the books better.

[andyt]

martin14 martin14:

andyt andyt:

It's not the department that oversees societies. It's BC Housing and Coast Health. They're the ones funnelling money to PHS.

As usual, andy blaming the gov't, because he can't bring himself to blame the thieves themselves.

They are heroes. it wasn't the fault of PHS the money got stolen.

Oh wait...

As usual, Martin is being an idiot.

The money wasn't stolen. It was misspent with no firm oversight as to on what. It's the same deal as with the Natives. I blame the govt as much as the Natives because it's the govts job to be responsible for the money they hand out.

[andyt]

But here's an argument. We know that executive compensation in private business has gone thru the roof. Many on this site think that's just fine, since these are the job givers and all. But then, the argument goes, to find good people in top management positions in govt and crown corps, we have to pay competitive wages similar to thee private sector, including all the perks. How can you argue with that? And if we pay them according to the private sector, then surely their bosses, the elected government members, also deserves to snuffle up to the same trough. And if that's true, why do we expect people who work in the poverty industry to stay poor? Don't we want good people there too? Don't they deserve their slice of the pie as well? And so on.

See the corrosive effects of income disparity?

[Zipperfish]

andyt andyt:

Fuck you're an idiot. Read what I wrote again. Maybe get somebody to help you with the interpretation.

He's just really, really angry.

[PluggyRug]

andyt andyt:

The money wasn't stolen. It was misspent.....

And the difference is........

[Xort]

andyt andyt:

The money wasn't stolen. It was misspent with no firm oversight as to on what. It's the same deal as with the Natives. I blame the govt as much as the Natives because it's the govts job to be responsible for the money they hand out.

These were all very well paid adults they clearly knew what they were doing was wrong. Your suggestion that because it wasn't harder to steal means it wasn't a crime is about average for what you post here so I guess we couldn't expect any better out of you either.

These people should all be facing trials and decade long or greater sentences.

Their drug den should also get a heavy review.

[andyt]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

andyt andyt:

Fuck you're an idiot. Read what I wrote again. Maybe get somebody to help you with the interpretation.

He's just really, really angry.

I know, but that often makes him stupid. He can't read what I actually wrote, just filters it thru his blinders.

[andyt]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

andyt andyt:

The money wasn't stolen. It was misspent.....

And the difference is........

There's no law against it. Just as with politicians, they don't go to jail for taking their entitlements unless they committed fraud in doing so. No fraud here, since the people spending the money got to make up the rules on how it was to be spent.

[andyt]

Xort Xort:

andyt andyt:

The money wasn't stolen. It was misspent with no firm oversight as to on what. It's the same deal as with the Natives. I blame the govt as much as the Natives because it's the govts job to be responsible for the money they hand out.

These were all very well paid adults they clearly knew what they were doing was wrong. Your suggestion that because it wasn't harder to steal means it wasn't a crime is about average for what you post here so I guess we couldn't expect any better out of you either.

These people should all be facing trials and decade long or greater sentences.

Their drug den should also get a heavy review.

Please quote the relevant law under which they would be charged.

As for their drug den, too bad, so sad, the courts said yes. About as heavy a review as you can get. Did you not know this?

[Zipperfish]

andyt andyt:

Please quote the relevant law under which they would be charged.

As for their drug den, too bad, so sad, the courts said yes. About as heavy a review as you can get. Did you not know this?

Fraud.