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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:50 am
Good read
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andyt
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:02 am
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6176$1: The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) describes itself as a "non-profit, grassroots membership organization … established to promote a positive image of Islam and Muslims in America," to protect Muslims from hate crimes and discrimination, and to present "an Islamic perspective on issues of importance to the American public." According to the Council's Director of Communications, Ibrahim Hooper, "We are similar to a Muslim NAACP." As of June 2007, CAIR claimed 32 branch affiliates in the United States and one in Canada.
$1: CAIR promotes a radical Islamic vision, as evidenced by the fact that its co-founder Omar Ahmad told a Fremont, California audience in July 1998: "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran … should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth." In a similar spirit, co-founder Ibrahim Hooper told a reporter in 1993: "I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future." In 2003 Hooper stated that if Muslims ever become a majority in the United States, they will likely seek to replace the U.S. Constitution with Islamic law, which they deem superior to man-made law. In the late 1980s, Ihsan Bagby, who would later become a CAIR Board member, stated that Muslims "can never be full citizens of this country," referring to the United States, "because there is no way we can be fully committed to the institutions and ideologies of this country." They have a Canadian subsidiary too: CAIR-CAN
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:11 am
andyt andyt: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6176$1: The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) describes itself as a "non-profit, grassroots membership organization … established to promote a positive image of Islam and Muslims in America," to protect Muslims from hate crimes and discrimination, and to present "an Islamic perspective on issues of importance to the American public." According to the Council's Director of Communications, Ibrahim Hooper, "We are similar to a Muslim NAACP." As of June 2007, CAIR claimed 32 branch affiliates in the United States and one in Canada.
$1: CAIR promotes a radical Islamic vision, as evidenced by the fact that its co-founder Omar Ahmad told a Fremont, California audience in July 1998: "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran … should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth." In a similar spirit, co-founder Ibrahim Hooper told a reporter in 1993: "I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future." In 2003 Hooper stated that if Muslims ever become a majority in the United States, they will likely seek to replace the U.S. Constitution with Islamic law, which they deem superior to man-made law. In the late 1980s, Ihsan Bagby, who would later become a CAIR Board member, stated that Muslims "can never be full citizens of this country," referring to the United States, "because there is no way we can be fully committed to the institutions and ideologies of this country." They have a Canadian subsidiary too: CAIR-CAN Good stuff, but it is pointless to provide this info to liberals because, for some reason, they are totally unable to hear or read such things coming from Muslims.
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:14 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson: [
Good stuff, but it is pointless to provide this info to liberals because, for some reason, they are totally unable to hear or read such things coming from Muslims. yeah, can't help but noticed you completely ignored my response on the thread you started on this subject. Who's unable to hear? 
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:15 am
Zipperfish Zipperfish: BartSimpson BartSimpson: [
Good stuff, but it is pointless to provide this info to liberals because, for some reason, they are totally unable to hear or read such things coming from Muslims. yeah, can't help but noticed you completely ignored my response on the thread you started on this subject. Who's unable to hear?  I haven't looked at that thread today, be patient, eh?
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andyt
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:18 am
Bart, I'm kind of a liberal lefty in lots of situations. Doesn't mean I keep my head up my ass. Here are some decidedly non-liberal types being duped as well: $1: When President George W. Bush visited the Islamic Center of Washington several days after September 11, 2001, to signal that he would not tolerate a backlash against Muslims, he invited CAIR's executive director, Nihad Awad, to join him at the podium. Two months later, when Secretary of State Colin Powell hosted a Ramadan dinner, he, too, called upon CAIR as representative of Islam in America.[14] More broadly, when the State Department seeks out Muslims to welcome foreign dignitaries, journalists, and academics, it calls upon CAIR.[15] The organization has represented American Muslims before Congress. The National Aeronautics and Space Agency hosted CAIR's "Sensitivity and Diversity Workshop" in an effort to harmonize space research with Muslim sensibilities.[16]
Law-enforcement agencies in Florida, Maryland, Ohio, Michigan, New York, Arizona, California, Missouri, Texas, and Kentucky have attended CAIR's sensitivity-training sessions.[17] The organization boasts such tight relations with law enforcement that it claims to have even been invited to monitor police raids.[18] In July 2004, as agents from the FBI, Internal Revenue Service, and Homeland Security descended on the Institute of Islamic and Arabic Sciences in America, a Saudi-created school in Merrifield, Virginia, a local paper reported that the FBI had informed CAIR's legal director, Arsalan Iftikhar, that morning that the raid was going to take place.
CAIR is also a media darling. It claims to log five thousand annual mentions on newspapers, television, and radio, including some of the most prestigious media in the United States.[19] The press dutifully quotes CAIR's statistics, publishes its theological views, reports its opinions, rehashes its press releases, invites its staff on television, and generally dignifies its existence as a routine part of the American and Canadian political scenes.
CAIR regularly participates in seminars on Islamic cultural issues for corporations and has been invited to speak at many of America's leading universities, including Harvard, Stanford, Johns Hopkins, and Columbia. American high schools have invited CAIR to promote its agenda, as have educationally-minded senior citizens.[20]
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:30 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson: I haven't looked at that thread today, be patient, eh? It was posted yesterday. But the fact is that you state that we on the left can't "unde3rstand" the problem and don't "hear" you. Baloney. We've been on here for years talking about it. I hear you and understand just fine. I just don't agree.
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:34 am
Zipperfish Zipperfish: BartSimpson BartSimpson: I haven't looked at that thread today, be patient, eh? It was posted yesterday. But the fact is that you state that we on the left can't "unde3rstand" the problem and don't "hear" you. Baloney. We've been on here for years talking about it. I hear you and understand just fine. I just don't agree. That's because the right is identical to the very muslims they are hysterically afraid of.
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:47 am
That article is the height of stupidity. Fail.
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:52 am
sandorski sandorski: That article is the height of stupidity. Fail. You, sir, have the intellectual agility of a small soapdish and I applaud you for demonstrating this outstanding capability of yours so as to lend proof to my insult in advance of the actual insult.
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:59 am
DerbyX DerbyX: That's because the right is identical to the very muslims they are hysterically afraid of. We're not identical, but I will grant that we are similar and that's why we tend to get along at an individual level and that's why the right comprehends the threat that Muslims pose to Western liberties.
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:12 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson: DerbyX DerbyX: That's because the right is identical to the very muslims they are hysterically afraid of. We're not identical, but I will grant that we are similar and that's why we tend to get along at an individual level and that's why the right comprehends the threat that Muslims pose to Western liberties. Identical in every way. You think your religion and ideology is the only one allowable and you are willing to use violence to achieve that goal. From where I sit the only reason you believe that crap about muslims is because its something you yourself pursue. In fact you seem to think that a gun toting right wing christian ideology is the only one people should have and that you guys and you alone are the force for good in the world. Its awful to read most times and downright despicable the rest. They pose a threat? Its the US military butchering innocent civilians in 2 wars launched against them. Seems to me the threat is from you guys rather then them. Its ironic that you give great credit to Reagan for bringing the USSR by making them spend themselves into oblivion trying to best the USSR when that is exactly the course your country is on. All it took was a single failed crotch bombing attempt and the entirety of the North American air industry responded with measures that will cost billions. All of this on top of the massive debt your country is facing caused in no small part to 2 wars that did nothing to erase or even minimize the threat you perceive. Muslim radicals don't need to defeat you right wingers. You are doing that all by your self.
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:26 am
DerbyX DerbyX: BartSimpson BartSimpson: DerbyX DerbyX: That's because the right is identical to the very muslims they are hysterically afraid of. We're not identical, but I will grant that we are similar and that's why we tend to get along at an individual level and that's why the right comprehends the threat that Muslims pose to Western liberties. Identical in every way. You think your religion and ideology is the only one allowable and you are willing to use violence to achieve that goal. From where I sit the only reason you believe that crap about muslims is because its something you yourself pursue. In fact you seem to think that a gun toting right wing christian ideology is the only one people should have and that you guys and you alone are the force for good in the world. Its awful to read most times and downright despicable the rest. They pose a threat? Its the US military butchering innocent civilians in 2 wars launched against them. Seems to me the threat is from you guys rather then them. Its ironic that you give great credit to Reagan for bringing the USSR by making them spend themselves into oblivion trying to best the USSR when that is exactly the course your country is on. All it took was a single failed crotch bombing attempt and the entirety of the North American air industry responded with measures that will cost billions. All of this on top of the massive debt your country is facing caused in no small part to 2 wars that did nothing to erase or even minimize the threat you perceive. Muslim radicals don't need to defeat you right wingers. You are doing that all by your self. Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't it originally muslim terrorists that gave the US justification to send troops to those countries? Atleast Afghanistan. This whole threat thing is a two way street. Only reason the war can last so long is because the government still gets public support despite all the war protesters. The only reason the government stll gets public support on the war is because they are constantly reminded of the threats this operation is suppose to remove. Either it be a plane bombing attempt, building bombing or w/e terrorism attempt is thrown at the west.
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:28 am
DerbyX DerbyX: BartSimpson BartSimpson: DerbyX DerbyX: That's because the right is identical to the very muslims they are hysterically afraid of. We're not identical, but I will grant that we are similar and that's why we tend to get along at an individual level and that's why the right comprehends the threat that Muslims pose to Western liberties. Identical in every way. You think your religion and ideology is the only one allowable and you are willing to use violence to achieve that goal. From where I sit the only reason you believe that crap about muslims is because its something you yourself pursue. In fact you seem to think that a gun toting right wing christian ideology is the only one people should have and that you guys and you alone are the force for good in the world. Its awful to read most times and downright despicable the rest. They pose a threat? Its the US military butchering innocent civilians in 2 wars launched against them. Seems to me the threat is from you guys rather then them. Its ironic that you give great credit to Reagan for bringing the USSR by making them spend themselves into oblivion trying to best the USSR when that is exactly the course your country is on. All it took was a single failed crotch bombing attempt and the entirety of the North American air industry responded with measures that will cost billions. All of this on top of the massive debt your country is facing caused in no small part to 2 wars that did nothing to erase or even minimize the threat you perceive. Muslim radicals don't need to defeat you right wingers. You are doing that all by your self. Yer confusing Reagan with the weak-kneed PC movement that has all but paralyzed the West's ability to defend itself properly. We're all so scared of being lablled a racist that we'll willingly give up our freedoms and rights just so we don't "offend" anybody else's fragile sensibilities. How many terrorist attacks, failed or successful do we need to have before we finally yell, "ENOUGH!!"? If we wait much longer, it won't really matter how loud we yell.
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