[BeaverFever]

martin14 martin14:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Patish Patish:

Burka is worn in radical muslim countries.
They live according to sharia law.
Sharia law mean - no freedom, baby.
Do you want to live according to sharia law ?

$1:

Oooh look! A bunch of hasidic jews with suicide vests on.....!

Here's a fun fact for you two to chew on: The "radical" muslim countries that have the harshest religous laws and strictest state opression of women are WESTERN ALLIES in the Arabian Peninsula! Even "evil" Iran doesnt enforce religious practice the way Saudi Arabia and some Gulf states do!

I would very much like you to prove that.

What Saudi Arabia is a more religious and opressive place than Iran? Iran has female doctors, public officials, even female firefighters. Women can vote, drive cars, have plastic surgery, stage public demonstrations, are highly educated and dont have to cover themselves head to toe. Saudi Arabia doesnt even have elections. In Iran, you can legally get a sex change operation as a "human right" and while prostitution is illegal, you can legally pay a woman a "dowry" to marry you for 24 hours or less in a special "temporary marriage". In Saudi Arabia, "Mutwas" stroll around towns armed with sticks during prayer time and beat those who are not in mosque. Saudi Arabia was jointly founded by the Saud family and the founder of the Wahabist relifous sect, which is the most extreme sect of Islam that exists.

Iran isnt perfect and their are still conservatives in power that limit their rights, but theyre far better off than Saudis. Even Pakistanis who can be extremely religous and sexist dont have religion coded into law the way Saudi arabia does.

[EyeBrock]

Derby, I agree. There is a ton of hypocrisy on both sides.

We pretend the Saudi’s are our mates and buy their oil and sell them weapons.

They in turn fund the jihad but we say nothing about it. Instead we attack the Arab country that none of them really liked anyway and depose the loony dictator that posed a threat to all it's Arab neighbours.

Now in Afghanistan we have Saudi’s, Pakistani’s, Chechens, Syrians, Lebanese, etc, joining the Taleban just to fight us.
But nobody barely mentions the large amounts of so called ‘foreign fighters’ that are captured or killed.
We just go on, pretending that these countries supplying men, arms and funding to the Taleban are our friends.

Crazy.

[Patish]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

$1:

Caucasian family has approx. 1.5 child. Muslim has 3-4.

Just a sticky detail: most of those countries don't have 1/10th as good a child mortality rate as the West. So popping out puppies is one thing -- seeing them reach their 18th birthday is another.

They already live in your country and enjoy the perfect Canadian healthcare.

[DerbyX]

Its why we won't win. They kill civilians and the anger falls on us. We kill civilians and the anger falls on us. We have no choice but to support karzais regime which is corrupt beyond all measure and rely on support from the boy raping warlords. They can resupply at will from countries we cannot attack lest we expand the war which I believe would simply grow the insurgency.

We threaten Iran despite the fact that prior to this they were no friend at all to Afghanistan making damn sure its in their interest to fund and supply the insurgency lest they become a target. We attacked (the west) Iraq when they were the least fundie of all countries and according to my Iraqi coworker "fucked everything up". Our allies use our money to buy guns, bullets, and bombs to give to our enemies.

We have made every wrong move possible and I for one don't want to see more lives and money pissed away for people who will not give up the very religion that's the root of their problems.

[BeaverFever]

just two decades ago "militant islam" was about as common in the muslim world as white supremacy is in our country. And prior to the late 70s, the broad social trend in the middle east -outside of our 'staunch allies in Arabia- was modernization, westernization and secularism. Millions of muslims around the world didnt just wake up one morning and all decide to become fundamelist overnight.

A chain of events unfolded in the late 20th century that alienated and radicalized many, and even moderates decided to look the other way, or concern themselves with other issues. In a nutshell, it all comes down to the "great game" being played by the world's great powers over oil.

[Patish]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Its why we won't win. They kill civilians and the anger falls on us. We kill civilians and the anger falls on us. We have no choice but to support karzais regime which is corrupt beyond all measure and rely on support from the boy raping warlords. They can resupply at will from countries we cannot attack lest we expand the war which I believe would simply grow the insurgency.

We threaten Iran despite the fact that prior to this they were no friend at all to Afghanistan making damn sure its in their interest to fund and supply the insurgency lest they become a target. We attacked (the west) Iraq when they were the least fundie of all countries and according to my Iraqi coworker "fucked everything up". Our allies use our money to buy guns, bullets, and bombs to give to our enemies.

We have made every wrong move possible and I for one don't want to see more lives and money pissed away for people who will not give up the very religion that's the root of their problems.

Agree with every word.

[Patish]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

What Saudi Arabia is a more religious and opressive place than Iran? Iran has female doctors, public officials, even female firefighters. Women can vote, drive cars, have plastic surgery,

here you are



or maybe this one

[EyeBrock]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Its why we won't win. They kill civilians and the anger falls on us. We kill civilians and the anger falls on us. We have no choice but to support karzais regime which is corrupt beyond all measure and rely on support from the boy raping warlords. They can resupply at will from countries we cannot attack lest we expand the war which I believe would simply grow the insurgency.

We threaten Iran despite the fact that prior to this they were no friend at all to Afghanistan making damn sure its in their interest to fund and supply the insurgency lest they become a target. We attacked (the west) Iraq when they were the least fundie of all countries and according to my Iraqi coworker "fucked everything up". Our allies use our money to buy guns, bullets, and bombs to give to our enemies.

We have made every wrong move possible and I for one don't want to see more lives and money pissed away for people who will not give up the very religion that's the root of their problems.

Again, I agree.

I think one day our leaders will wake up from the stupor of pretending all this shit isn't real and we can actually effectively deal with our enemies.

Until then political intrigue and political correctness will see things stay the same.

[BeaverFever]

Patish Patish:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

What Saudi Arabia is a more religious and opressive place than Iran? Iran has female doctors, public officials, even female firefighters. Women can vote, drive cars, have plastic surgery,

here you are


or maybe this one

AGIAN, I never said Iran was perfect or similar to the west, but thats still a world better than Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States.

[Zipperfish]

Patish Patish:

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

$1:

Caucasian family has approx. 1.5 child. Muslim has 3-4.

Just a sticky detail: most of those countries don't have 1/10th as good a child mortality rate as the West. So popping out puppies is one thing -- seeing them reach their 18th birthday is another.

They already live in your country and enjoy the perfect Canadian healthcare.

Thanks for admitting I was right and you were wrong.

[snuggles61]

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

Proculation Proculation:

I will be happy only when I see something like "Canadian group moves to ban Islam".

Good to see youre tolerant of other religions.

Yes and Muslims are soooooo tolerant of other religions.

[Gunnair]

snuggles61 snuggles61:

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

Proculation Proculation:

I will be happy only when I see something like "Canadian group moves to ban Islam".

Good to see youre tolerant of other religions.

Yes and Muslims are soooooo tolerant of other religions.

So you're no different than a muslim?

[Gunnair]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Its why we won't win. They kill civilians and the anger falls on us. We kill civilians and the anger falls on us. We have no choice but to support karzais regime which is corrupt beyond all measure and rely on support from the boy raping warlords. They can resupply at will from countries we cannot attack lest we expand the war which I believe would simply grow the insurgency.

We threaten Iran despite the fact that prior to this they were no friend at all to Afghanistan making damn sure its in their interest to fund and supply the insurgency lest they become a target. We attacked (the west) Iraq when they were the least fundie of all countries and according to my Iraqi coworker "fucked everything up". Our allies use our money to buy guns, bullets, and bombs to give to our enemies.

We have made every wrong move possible and I for one don't want to see more lives and money pissed away for people who will not give up the very religion that's the root of their problems.

Again, I agree.

I think one day our leaders will wake up from the stupor of pretending all this shit isn't real and we can actually effectively deal with our enemies.

Until then political intrigue and political correctness will see things stay the same.

We are no more politically capable of banning the burka as we are banning polygamy. I'm not sure what the point is hashing it out on a forum when it ain't going to happen. Frankly, the only way to diminish the fanatical muslim threat is to bring them into the 21st century. Banning aspects of their religion and culture won't do that. Secularization will. We have proof of this as Christianity was no different than Islam a few hundred years back.

[snuggles61]

Gunnair Gunnair:

So you're no different than a muslim?

Okay before we go there do you consider Muslims tolerant of other religions? (Keep in mind that right here in Canada imams preach death to gays and other forms of infidels and are never cited for hate crimes).

[Gunnair]

snuggles61 snuggles61:

Gunnair Gunnair:

So you're no different than a muslim?

Okay before we go there do you consider Muslims tolerant of other religions? (Keep in mind that right here in Canada imams preach death to gays and other forms of infidels and are never cited for hate crimes).

Only idiots would speak for millions. I've met some who are very tolerant. There are those who are not.