[N_Fiddledog]

DerbyX DerbyX:

If you want to condemn muslims for supporting that then why don't we attack the slave owning fucking Americans? Long after their saviour jesus told slaves to accept being slaves they had them in spades. Sure some Americans "freed them" but it doesn't change the fact that they were among the last civilized nation on earth to dissolve slavery (aside from the racial tension that continued to plague them).

Just cause it's interesting...

$1:

The Arab slave trade was most active in West Asia, North Africa and East Africa. By the end of the 19th century, such activity had reached a low ebb. In the early 20th century (post World War I) slavery was gradually outlawed and suppressed in Muslim lands, largely due to pressure exerted by Western nations such as Britain and France. However, slavery claiming the sanction of Islam is documented presently in the African republics of Chad, Mauritania, Niger, Mali and Sudan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_slavery

The teachings of Islam endorse slavery not in a single warped quote, but throughout.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/slavery.htm

[N_Fiddledog]

More on topic with what's going on today though, this one's good...

http://article.nationalreview.com/43423 ... mark-steyn

[GreenTiger]

It sounds like Eric Holder and Obama have become so Islam-Whipped that
that they don't even use the word much less putting Radial Islam in the same class as the KKK, the Nazi Party or any other nut job group that likes violence. This is not good.So far it seems like Quebec is the only political group with the intestinal fortitude to stand up again the more obnoxious elements of what they laughing refer to themselves as the Religion of Peace.



Go Quebec !!

[martin14]

andyt andyt:

Bodah Bodah:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

We are too chicken to even challenge radical Islam in this country.

What a bunch of scared sheep we have turned into.

At least Quebec isn't.

Big diff between banning the Burka, which most Muslims are against too, and publishing/showing stuff denigrating the Prophet. The HRC complaints against Levant and Steyn didn't succeed, but I don't see anybody even in Quebec eager to take on Mohammy.

It's a start at least.

[GreenTiger]

Yes, it is a start. I think that the more successes we have the more people will be encouraged to stand up against the excess of the more unsavory elements of the Religion of Piss..er.. (I mean Peace) that have seeped into the cultures on this side of the Atlantic.

[uwish]

one name...Christopher Hitchens. Your arguments were just destroyed.

[bootlegga]

Bodah Bodah:

bootlegga bootlegga:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36123454/

Is that current enough for you?

Bravo you found 1, now your need to find just a few more to be relevant.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2001-2003.htm

Oh please Type 'abortion doctor killed' into Google and it comes up with dozens of cases.

My point was (and still is) that all religion is the problem, not just one as you seem to believe.

[commanderkai]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Please, type 'abortion doctor killed' into Google and it comes up with dozens of cases.

Did you know there was only one abortion doctor killed in the US in the entire first decade on the 21st century? And in the span of...33 years, there have been about 8 murders in total related to anti-abortion violence and 17 attempted murders?

http://www.prochoice.org/pubs_research/ ... _stats.pdf

Anti-abortion murders receive a lot of media attention, but there is a HUGE amount of misinformation about how successful violent anti-abortion campaigns actually are.

$1:

My point was (and still is) that all religion is the problem, not just one as you seem to believe.

It's people who are the problem, but do ask yourself this. If the various Christian churches in the US wanted to murder abortion doctors en masse, don't you think there would be more than 8 murders in 33 years? I'd think so. Religion can be corrupted, some religions easier than others. Not all religion is created equal

[bootlegga]

commanderkai commanderkai:

bootlegga bootlegga:

Please, type 'abortion doctor killed' into Google and it comes up with dozens of cases.

Did you know there was only one abortion doctor killed in the US in the entire first decade on the 21st century? And in the span of...33 years, there have been about 8 murders in total related to anti-abortion violence and 17 attempted murders?

http://www.prochoice.org/pubs_research/ ... _stats.pdf

Anti-abortion murders receive a lot of media attention, but there is a HUGE amount of misinformation about how successful violent anti-abortion campaigns actually are.

$1:

My point was (and still is) that all religion is the problem, not just one as you seem to believe.

It's people who are the problem, but do ask yourself this. If the various Christian churches in the US wanted to murder abortion doctors en masse, don't you think there would be more than 8 murders in 33 years? I'd think so.

See bolded text...

[commanderkai]

bootlegga bootlegga:

See bolded text...

Yeah, I saw it. The problem is not religion though. Like I said. Do you really believe if the various Christian churches conducted a violent campaign against abortion, there would be an abortion clinic left standing? An abortion doctor left alive?

Comparing Islamic terrorism to anti-abortion terrorism is a stretch for this reason. Islam has been "corrupted" or "interpreted" much more often by a great many groups across the planet, as well as they're much better funded by the Saudis. Anti-abortion violence is commonly done by a few crazed individuals, without the support or backing of any mainstream church.

[bootlegga]

commanderkai commanderkai:

bootlegga bootlegga:

See bolded text...

Yeah, I saw it. The problem is not religion though. Like I said. Do you really believe if the various Christian churches conducted a violent campaign against abortion, there would be an abortion clinic left standing? An abortion doctor left alive?

Comparing Islamic terrorism to anti-abortion terrorism is a stretch for this reason. Islam has been "corrupted" or "interpreted" much more often by a great many groups across the planet, as well as they're much better funded by the Saudis. Anti-abortion violence is commonly done by a few crazed individuals, without the support or backing of any mainstream church.

I didn't compare anti-abortion killings to Islamic terrorism, I simply provided a present day bit of religious violence, to counteract the specious claims that things like the Crusades, Inquisition, and Salem witch trials don't count because they are so far in the past.

The Catholic church still outlaws abortion, and tells people that those how do it are going to hell (I'm sure that there are more than a few Protestant churches that do the same too). The only thing holding back die-hard Christians from killing abortion doctors en masse is the law and their unwillingness to go to prison from killing someone. However, if pastors/priests/whatever told Christians that it was okay to kill abortion doctors, I'm sure that the number would be far higher.
For example, how many Christians, either here on CKA or in the world at large, still subscribe to the tenet, "An eye for an eye"? A helluva lot that's for sure. Yet, I don't recall Jesus ever mentioning that, now did he? Yet, Christians (you know believers in Jesus Christ) still cling to religious beliefs that predate him. Either they should stop calling themselves Christians (maybe Old Testamentians or something) or they should actually read about Jesus and what he actually said, not follow just the parts of the Bible that they like.

To me, any Christian that believes in "an eye for an eye" is just as ignorant and savage as the Muslim who believe in stoning women.

Religion, IMHO, is like Communism. It sounds like a great idea until people get their hands on it and fuck it all up.

No, religion has been used to justify all sorts of atrocities throughout the ages. Whether it happened yesterday, last century or last millenium, or because some believer twisted it for his own purpose or simply misinterpreted it is irrelevant IMO.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

YOu may be right boot but if religion didn't exists, we'd find something else to blame.
Although I certainly can't argue that too many "Christians" seem to be stuck in the Judeo ethic and forget about the Christian part of it all.

[commanderkai]

bootlegga bootlegga:

I didn't compare anti-abortion killings to Islamic terrorism, I simply provided a present day bit of religious violence, to counteract the specious claims that things like the Crusades, Inquisition, and Salem witch trials don't count because they are so far in the past.

The Catholic church still outlaws abortion, and tells people that those how do it are going to hell (I'm sure that there are more than a few Protestant churches that do the same too). The only thing holding back die-hard Christians from killing abortion doctors en masse is the law and their unwillingness to go to prison from killing someone. However, if pastors/priests/whatever told Christians that it was okay to kill abortion doctors, I'm sure that the number would be far higher.
For example, how many Christians, either here on CKA or in the world at large, still subscribe to the tenet, "An eye for an eye"? A helluva lot that's for sure. Yet, I don't recall Jesus ever mentioning that, now did he? Yet, Christians (you know believers in Jesus Christ) still cling to religious beliefs that predate him. Either they should stop calling themselves Christians (maybe Old Testamentians or something) or they should actually read about Jesus and what he actually said, not follow just the parts of the Bible that they like.

To me, any Christian that believes in "an eye for an eye" is just as ignorant and savage as the Muslim who believe in stoning women.

Religion, IMHO, is like Communism. It sounds like a great idea until people get their hands on it and fuck it all up.

No, religion has been used to justify all sorts of atrocities throughout the ages. Whether it happened yesterday, last century or last millenium, or because some believer twisted it for his own purpose or simply misinterpreted it is irrelevant IMO.

Ahh, I understand. My apologies!

[bootlegga]

commanderkai commanderkai:

bootlegga bootlegga:

I didn't compare anti-abortion killings to Islamic terrorism, I simply provided a present day bit of religious violence, to counteract the specious claims that things like the Crusades, Inquisition, and Salem witch trials don't count because they are so far in the past.

The Catholic church still outlaws abortion, and tells people that those how do it are going to hell (I'm sure that there are more than a few Protestant churches that do the same too). The only thing holding back die-hard Christians from killing abortion doctors en masse is the law and their unwillingness to go to prison from killing someone. However, if pastors/priests/whatever told Christians that it was okay to kill abortion doctors, I'm sure that the number would be far higher.
For example, how many Christians, either here on CKA or in the world at large, still subscribe to the tenet, "An eye for an eye"? A helluva lot that's for sure. Yet, I don't recall Jesus ever mentioning that, now did he? Yet, Christians (you know believers in Jesus Christ) still cling to religious beliefs that predate him. Either they should stop calling themselves Christians (maybe Old Testamentians or something) or they should actually read about Jesus and what he actually said, not follow just the parts of the Bible that they like.

To me, any Christian that believes in "an eye for an eye" is just as ignorant and savage as the Muslim who believe in stoning women.

Religion, IMHO, is like Communism. It sounds like a great idea until people get their hands on it and fuck it all up.

No, religion has been used to justify all sorts of atrocities throughout the ages. Whether it happened yesterday, last century or last millenium, or because some believer twisted it for his own purpose or simply misinterpreted it is irrelevant IMO.

Ahh, I understand. My apologies!

No worries!

[bootlegga]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

YOu may be right boot but if religion didn't exists, we'd find something else to blame.

No doubt about that.

After all, why take responsibility for something when you can blame someone/something else?