[andyt]

Tyler_1 Tyler_1:

If I start caring how the Peeps down the road do it, someone have Mr. Simpson just shoot me.

Tell him you're a gay Muslim. He hates both groups.

[N_Fiddledog]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

So in other words UK Muslim views on gays are no different than the Christian religious

But wasn't the difference between 16% of Britons wanting gay sex made illegal and 51% of Muslims supporting the proposition explained to you?

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right and the vast majority of Muslims (more than 75%) don't support Sharia law.

At the moment; and that stat for the 3/4 of a million British Muslims wanting Sharia law. becomes even more interesting when you start to unpack it. There's this from 2010.

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Around a third of young British Muslims favour killing in the name of Islam, according to a survey revealed by the WikiLeaks' publication of U.S. diplomatic cables.

A survey of 600 Muslim students at 30 universities throughout Britain found that 32 per cent of Muslim respondents believed killing in the name of religion is justified.

A U.S. diplomatic cable from January 2009 quoted a poll by the Centre for Social Cohesion as saying 54 per cent wanted a Muslim party to represent their world view in Parliament and 40 per cent want Muslims in the UK to be under Sharia law.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... a-law.html

So that appears to be referencing something I've seen in other studies. Younger Muslims are more likely to be radical. So when the old ones die what's left?

But diverting madly about is only meant to distract from the main take-away from all this. There is a persuasive demographic of Muslims not integrating well into Western society. Do we change or do they? As that demographic gets larger, the urgency of answering the question will clarify.

[N_Fiddledog]

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[Tyler_1]

andyt andyt:

Tyler_1 Tyler_1:

If I start caring how the Peeps down the road do it, someone have Mr. Simpson just shoot me.

Tell him you're a gay Muslim. He hates both groups.

He already knows that I'm just a dirty white boy.

[andyt]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

But diverting madly about is only meant to distract from the main take-away from all this. There is a persuasive demographic of Muslims not integrating well into Western society. Do we change or do they? As that demographic gets larger, the urgency of answering the question will clarify.

finally something intelligent. Why not discuss that, instead of let's set our hair on fire about Muslims and gays when we have many Christians with the same attitudes? Europe for sure needs to do something to integrate their MUslims much better. They should use both carrots and sticks. And the sort of hatred you and your fellow travellers spew is for sure not going to lead to Muslims wanting to integrate further.

They can look at how Canada does it with its immigrants. At times we bend over too far to accommodate, but we seem to find the balance pretty well. Some people will always think any change in the settled culture is bad, some will be too eager to change to suit the newcomers. Somewhere in the middle is the way to go.

We have the same questions with Punjabi and Chinese immigrants. Sometimes we don't hold them to the same standards we hold ourselves to, because of fears of being called racist. Time to stop that. Right now there seems to be a lot of mendacity in the real estate market from Chinese agents and agencies playing very fast and loose with the rules, including advertising they take corrupt money. We don't seem to be willing to clamp down hard enough at all - want that Chinese money flowing in at all costs.

[BeaverFever]

Batsy2 Batsy2:

raydan raydan:

Batsy2 Batsy2:

As a Christian, I think homosexuality should be re-outlawed.

So you're a closet gay.

No. I think homosexual practices are sinful and should never have been legalised 50 years ago.

Batsy must be short for batshit crazy

[herbie]

Every single negative article about Muslis from around the entire fucking world posted here.
You guys have no other interests besides that issue? Your lives totally consumed with concerns over Islam?
No family, no mortgage, no economic, sports or Canadian issues worth commenting on?
C'mon its gotten a little much!

[BeaverFever]

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... sexuality/



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Most U.S. Christian groups grow more accepting of homosexuality
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Almost all Christian groups now more accepting of homosexualityAcceptance of homosexuality is rising across the broad spectrum of American Christianity, including among members of churches that strongly oppose homosexual relationships as sinful, according to an extensive Pew Research Center survey of U.S. religious beliefs and practices.

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Amid a changing religious landscape that has seen a declining percentage of Americans who identify as Christian, a majority of U.S. Christians (54%) now say that homosexuality should be accepted, rather than discouraged, by society. While this is still considerably lower than the shares of religiously unaffiliated people (83%) and members of non-Christian faiths (76%) who say the same, the Christian figure has increased by 10 percentage points since we conducted a similar study in 2007.

Anti gay views nott so divergent for religious Christians

[Thanos]

I suppose the greater meta is that no matter how radical they are the Christian extremists are much less likely to start murdering as many people as possible to get their way. In case nobody's noticed violence is the extremist Muslim's first, and generally only, course of action, and they apparently are utterly convinced that the entirety of their religious heritage justified, encourages, and condones their actions. Maybe liberals today, who apparently find insults as offensive as setting a bomb off, just can't tell the difference between Westboro Baptist (no matter how noxious they are) acting like idiots outside of a gay wedding and some sons of Ba'allah emptying the magazine from an AK-47 into the packed crowd at the Bataclan.

[BeaverFever]

Thanos Thanos:

Maybe liberals today, who apparently find insults as offensive as setting a bomb off, just can't tell the difference between Westboro Baptist (no matter how noxious they are) acting like idiots outside of a gay wedding and some sons of Ba'allah emptying the magazine from an AK-47 into the packed crowd at the Bataclan.

Another lie! Nobody here has equivocated between acts of terrorism and simple right wing hate speech.

Why do guys feel you have to lie so much in order to "win" any argument?

[Caelon]

Batsy2 Batsy2:

No. I think homosexual practices are sinful and should never have been legalised 50 years ago.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, just like every other Canadian. I was trying to find supporting documentation for how the majority of Canadians feel. Lots of stuff on the legislative history, but public opinion verification seems a little more scarce. I did find this.

"One recent study by Mark W. Lehman suggests that between 1997 and 2004, Canadian public opinion on legalizing same-sex marriage underwent a dramatic shift: moving from minority-support to majority support"

So as a democracy the majority will rule on what is acceptable. Your position seems to be in the minority, so I do not anticipate you will get your wish of a change to a more fundamentalist position like in the southern US.

[yarg]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Thanos Thanos:

Maybe liberals today, who apparently find insults as offensive as setting a bomb off, just can't tell the difference between Westboro Baptist (no matter how noxious they are) acting like idiots outside of a gay wedding and some sons of Ba'allah emptying the magazine from an AK-47 into the packed crowd at the Bataclan.

Another lie! Nobody here has equivocated between acts of terrorism and simple right wing hate speech.

Why do guys feel you have to lie so much in order to "win" any argument?

The first response was, 'well what about the evangelicals?', the answer is that the evangelicals don't shoot a hundred people at a concert in the name of their religion, so now, you're defending that deflection with another of your own? Is it on purpose or by way of incompetence?

[martin14]

yarg yarg:

The first response was, 'well what about the evangelicals?', the answer is that the evangelicals don't shoot a hundred people at a concert in the name of their religion, so now, you're defending that deflection with another of your own? Is it on purpose or by way of incompetence?

It's on purpose, of course.
Lefties can't handle reality, so they have to make up their own version of it.

[Batsy2]

Caelon Caelon:

Batsy2 Batsy2:

No. I think homosexual practices are sinful and should never have been legalised 50 years ago.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, just like every other Canadian. I was trying to find supporting documentation for how the majority of Canadians feel. Lots of stuff on the legislative history, but public opinion verification seems a little more scarce. I did find this.

"One recent study by Mark W. Lehman suggests that between 1997 and 2004, Canadian public opinion on legalizing same-sex marriage underwent a dramatic shift: moving from minority-support to majority support"

So as a democracy the majority will rule on what is acceptable. Your position seems to be in the minority, so I do not anticipate you will get your wish of a change to a more fundamentalist position like in the southern US.

Just because one has an opinion that is in the minority or is "offensive" doesn't make one wrong.

By the way, just before queer marriage was legalised in Britain polls actually showed most British queers were against it.

Homosexuality is wrong and so is homosexual marrriage. Marriage should be between a man and a woman.

[Lemmy]

Batsy2 Batsy2:

Just because one has an opinion that is in the minority or is "offensive" doesn't make one wrong.

By the way, just before queer marriage was legalised in Britain polls actually showed most British queers were against it.

Homosexuality is wrong and so is homosexual marrriage. Marriage should be between a man and a woman.

Read your first and last sentences. Contradiction. Hypocrisy.