[DerbyX]

ASLplease ASLplease:

nope. it was something that came up in a forum almost 8 years ago. I remember it. And, my guess is the "piss their parents off" is a main reason, but peer pressure is probably the number one reason for pot smoking. hormones is probably the number one reason for sex.

Not once did I ever do anything or not do anything because I was afraid to disappoint my parents. I'm willing to bet that's true for most teens. The fact that they wanted to smoke and have sex should be apparent to you.

ASLplease ASLplease:

I think there is a difference between expressing a moral believe, and concluding that it should be forced upon everyone else. I like beer, but I've never hog tied anyone and poured beer down their throat.

My children will be given the same belief, but if they are to be influence by their peers and hormones, then I certainly don't see any harm in offering them the point of veiw from an adult thtat cares a great deal about them.

Yet she did not force him to enter into the relationship and he did not force her but what you seem to imply is that we should force them to stop based not on their morality but yours.

[ASLplease]

Brenda,

oh really? I reached an age where I decided that I was going to make all of my own decisions. When that happened, I made many of the same choices that my parents wanted of me.

[DerbyX]

Proculation Proculation:

My example is creepy Derby ? That's offensive !

She was really hot ! (but the age of my mother..)
Demi Moore is 47 !

Before your encounter what was your thought of getting it on with someone your mothers age?

[DerbyX]

Brenda Brenda:

I think yoiu miss my point. I have nothing against this 16 year old having sex. I don't think he is smart by doing it with a 42 year old married woman, but whatever.
My point is HER. First, she is married, second, her son is probably older.

It may not be a crime. I still think she is wrong by doing what she is doing.
And lets be honest, if it was reversed, all hell would have broken loose and he would be called a pervert. She is one too.

So your morality allows for the 16 year old to have sex then right? What about the morality that claims teens should not be having sex at all because they aren't old enough to deal with the consequences? Would you condone your 16 year old having sex with their same age BF/GF?

Your point was that it was illegal at first or so you thought it was. You now know it isn't illegal but that it shouldn't be condoned to the point that something should be done to stop it.

MY point is that regardless of your personal feelings you don't get to make that decision for them.

[Brenda]

ASLplease ASLplease:

Brenda,

oh really? I reached an age where I decided that I was going to make all of my own decisions. When that happened, I made many of the same choices that my parents wanted of me.

I sure as hell didn't make the decisions my parents wanted when I was 16.
I couldn't care less either. They let me make my mistakes, but I am sure that the things I did was not what they had in mind for me.

[ASLplease]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Not once did I ever do anything or not do anything because I was afraid to disappoint my parents.

not once, eh? so you came home at the age of 12 and said "hey mom, I had a real good time tonight drinking beer with my buddies, and raiding gardens"?

$1:

Yet she did not force him to enter into the relationship and he did not force her but what you seem to imply is that we should force them to stop based not on their morality but yours.

almost all cases of statutory rape are consentual.

BTW, don't make it sound like its my morality, I am not the founder of this idea. Its been around longer than I have.

[ASLplease]

Brenda Brenda:

ASLplease ASLplease:

Brenda,

oh really? I reached an age where I decided that I was going to make all of my own decisions. When that happened, I made many of the same choices that my parents wanted of me.

I sure as hell didn't make the decisions my parents wanted when I was 16.
I couldn't care less either. They let me make my mistakes, but I am sure that the things I did was not what they had in mind for me.

I understand. I made tons of choices that they did not have in mind for me. But, I also made some good choices. I don't mind saying that they helped guide me with my good choices.

[Brenda]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Brenda Brenda:

I think yoiu miss my point. I have nothing against this 16 year old having sex. I don't think he is smart by doing it with a 42 year old married woman, but whatever.
My point is HER. First, she is married, second, her son is probably older.

It may not be a crime. I still think she is wrong by doing what she is doing.
And lets be honest, if it was reversed, all hell would have broken loose and he would be called a pervert. She is one too.

So your morality allows for the 16 year old to have sex then right? What about the morality that claims teens should not be having sex at all because they aren't old enough to deal with the consequences? Would you condone your 16 year old having sex with their same age BF/GF?

Your point was that it was illegal at first or so you thought it was. You now know it isn't illegal but that it shouldn't be condoned to the point that something should be done to stop it.

MY point is that regardless of your personal feelings you don't get to make that decision for them.

Like I said, I have no problem with 16 year olds having sex. I have no problem with a 16 year old having sex with an older person. I do have a problem with the mind of a 42 year old, who thinks it is ok to have sex, a relationship, with a 16 year old, and NOT have him let his parents know where the hell he is. His parents are still his legal guardians. SHE should know better.

I can't make that decision for them, but his parents can.

[DerbyX]

ASLplease ASLplease:

not once, eh? so you came home at the age of 12 and said "hey mom, I had a real good time tonight drinking beer with my buddies, and raiding gardens"?

My decision not to do those things at that age had nothing to do with my not wanting to disappoint my parents. My decision to cause mischief and drink beer had nothing to do with wanting to piss them off either. What they thought of it didn't go beyond "If I get caught I'll get into trouble". In fact even when my parents found out I was drinking under age it did nothing to stop me either.

ASLplease ASLplease:

almost all cases of statutory rape are consentual.

Except this isn't statutory rape.

ASLplease ASLplease:

BTW, don't make it sound like its my morality, I am not the founder of this idea. Its been around longer than I have.

It is your morality since you are expressing the view its wrong morally. In fact its only rather recently that its been considered wrong for young people to engage in behaviour like this with older people. In the past girls of 16 were often married with children by that time and just as often they married older men since a man was expected to work and provide for a family which younger men couldn't do yet.

[DerbyX]

Brenda Brenda:

Like I said, I have no problem with 16 year olds having sex. I have no problem with a 16 year old having sex with an older person. I do have a problem with the mind of a 42 year old, who thinks it is ok to have sex, a relationship, with a 16 year old, and NOT have him let his parents know where the hell he is. His parents are still his legal guardians. SHE should know better.

I can't make that decision for them, but his parents can.

Actually they can't. In fact he might even decide to leave and they can't stop him. Even children younger then him can legally emancipate themselves from their parents.

Now you can have an opinion that its wrong just like somebody would be agast and morally outraged that you think its OK for 16 year olds to have sex.

She should know better because you think its wrong? She doesn't and the fact is she doesn't have to live her life by your standards.

[Brenda]

True, Derb. They don't have to live their lifes by my standards. No one but me has to. I can still have an opinion about it, whether it is right or wrong in anyone elses eyes.

[Brenda]

Just for the record, I thought I was legally obligated to make sure my kids are fed and sheltered till they are at least 18. That includes childsupport in case of a divorce. Am I wrong here?

[DerbyX]

Brenda Brenda:

True, Derb. They don't have to live their lifes by my standards. No one but me has to. I can still have an opinion about it, whether it is right or wrong in anyone elses eyes.

Yes you can. I find it creepy as much as you do. The difference is you seem to be saying that we should actively (or even forcibly) stop this. His parents were in fact doing that before he up and left with her so I'm thinking they might have been going about it the wrong way (assuming there is a right way).

This is just like parents trying to force their daughter not to date a boy (her own age) they don't like. How often do they simply drive her further into his arms?

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Brenda Brenda:

True, Derb. They don't have to live their lifes by my standards. No one but me has to. I can still have an opinion about it, whether it is right or wrong in anyone elses eyes.

That's right Brenda, and the beautiful thing is, opinions are neither right nor wrong

[ASLplease]

DerbyX DerbyX:

ASLplease ASLplease:

almost all cases of statutory rape are consentual.

Except this isn't statutory rape.

Those damn Liberals!

DerbyX DerbyX:

It is your morality since you are expressing the view its wrong morally.

Really, it seems to me that it goes well beyond morality, and into the realm of common sense. A 42 year old should not be starting relationships with kids that she has to sneak out past curfew in order to have sex.

I think it's your morality that should be put to the check. Why are you so gung ho at trying to preserve or defend an inadequacy in our legal system that would allow her to jump on a plane and go back to Texas, when she should be in jail posting bail.