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<strong>Title: </strong> <a href="/link.php?id=23215" target="_blank">Military struggling to diversify its ranks</a> (click to view)

<strong>Category:</strong> <a href="/news/topic/13-military" target="_blank">Military</a>
<strong>Posted By: </strong> <a href="/modules.php?name=Your_Account&op=userinfo&username=Hyack" target="_blank">Hyack</a>
<strong>Date: </strong> 2007-07-23 09:59:26
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[RUEZ]

I always find this annoying. In the RCMP as well. Why not just hire the best applicants you get be they women, men, black, or white? If minorities want to apply they are free to.

[2Cdo]

RUEZ RUEZ:

I always find this annoying. In the RCMP as well. Why not just hire the best applicants you get be they women, men, black, or white? If minorities want to apply they are free to.

Because hiring the best person, regardless of sex, colour, religion or sexual preference is the ultimate in equal and we know in Canada some people are more equal than others.

[sasquatch2]

YEAH! JUST WHAT WE NEED! DEAF/BLIND PILOTS AND MORE 90 LB FEMALE PARAS!

HOCKEY PUCKS!

[BartSimpson]

The military diversifying its ranks will be equally as effective as the Leafs diversifying their ranks without regard to who can best do the job.

My priorities for soldiers are as follows:

#1: You must love your country so much that you are willing to die for it.
#2: You must love your country so much that you are willing to kill for it.
#3: You must be able to follow lawful orders.
#4: You must reserve your opinions of what a lawful order is for election day.
#5: Your fellow soldiers must be able to depend on you to shoulder your load on your own and then to shoulder someone else's load for days at a time, if needed.

What 'diversification' has to do with any of this is BS.

[xerxes]

Yeah, I don't see why that's so important for the CAF. For urban police forces I can see the benefits, but not in the armed forces.

[Wullu]

Brass tacks. The demographic that is going to be attracted to the CF is young, white guys.

[BartSimpson]

Wullu Wullu:

Brass tacks. The demographic that is going to be attracted to the CF is young, white guys.

I know you don't have any, but Canada might want a few young Mexican kids - they make kickass Marines.

[Freakinoldguy]

$1:

"If you look at the senior leadership, it tends to be white males ... the people within the organization still think that they alone know what's best in terms of who needs to get promoted,"

This scares the crap out of me. We are going to end up with a Canadian Military version of affirmative action, where the criteria to be promoted will be based on race and gender rather than on ability and qualification. A policy like this will ultimately lead to the complete ruin of the armed forces.

$1:

"They don't see the writing on the wall with regards to demographic change in the country. Basically, if you just keep recruiting white males, you're going to run out of qualified people."

While I agree that visible minorities should, if they so wish, become members of the armed forces, what I take exception to is the statment that your going to run out of white males. This is all smoke and mirrors being used to justify their attempt at changing the whole military system to suit some politically correct agenda.

What these rocket scientists haven't figured out yet is that most recent immigrants have no historical background to the military and likely emmigrated from countries where the military was veiwed as a tool for oppression. Given these factors is it any wonder they aren't having a major success in recruiting visible minorities from immigrant populations.

As for not being able to achieve a higher than 11% ratio of women, I honestly can't answer that but to blame it on the "system" is bullshit and just another excuse to say that "white males are the problem" which lets the government off the hook, without actually delving deeper into the issue to find the real reasons.

The simple solution for this whole problem is conscription. With conscription you don't have any racism or gender bias, everyone gets screwed equally. That should solve the recruiting problem, now shouldn't it.

[Almighty1]

The military diversifying its ranks will be equally as effective as the Leafs diversifying their ranks without regard to who can best do the job.

My priorities for soldiers are as follows:

#1: You must love your country so much that you are willing to die for it.
#2: You must love your country so much that you are willing to kill for it.
#3: You must be able to follow lawful orders.
#4: You must reserve your opinions of what a lawful order is for election day.
#5: Your fellow soldiers must be able to depend on you to shoulder your load on your own and then to shoulder someone else's load for days at a time, if needed.

What 'diversification' has to do with any of this is BS

Amen to that Bart

[bootlegga]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

$1:

"If you look at the senior leadership, it tends to be white males ... the people within the organization still think that they alone know what's best in terms of who needs to get promoted,"

This scares the crap out of me. We are going to end up with a Canadian Military version of affirmative action, where the criteria to be promoted will be based on race and gender rather than on ability and qualification. A policy like this will ultimately lead to the complete ruin of the armed forces.

$1:

"They don't see the writing on the wall with regards to demographic change in the country. Basically, if you just keep recruiting white males, you're going to run out of qualified people."

While I agree that visible minorities should, if they so wish, become members of the armed forces, what I take exception to is the statment that your going to run out of white males. This is all smoke and mirrors being used to justify their attempt at changing the whole military system to suit some politically correct agenda.

What these rocket scientists haven't figured out yet is that most recent immigrants have no historical background to the military and likely emmigrated from countries where the military was veiwed as a tool for oppression. Given these factors is it any wonder they aren't having a major success in recruiting visible minorities from immigrant populations.

As for not being able to achieve a higher than 11% ratio of women, I honestly can't answer that but to blame it on the "system" is bullshit and just another excuse to say that "white males are the problem" which lets the government off the hook, without actually delving deeper into the issue to find the real reasons.

The simple solution for this whole problem is conscription. With conscription you don't have any racism or gender bias, everyone gets screwed equally. That should solve the recruiting problem, now shouldn't it.

The problem with conscription is that you get crap soldiers, who just want to do their time and get out. Volunteer forces are far more militarily effective than conscripts.

[Freakinoldguy]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

$1:

"If you look at the senior leadership, it tends to be white males ... the people within the organization still think that they alone know what's best in terms of who needs to get promoted,"

This scares the crap out of me. We are going to end up with a Canadian Military version of affirmative action, where the criteria to be promoted will be based on race and gender rather than on ability and qualification. A policy like this will ultimately lead to the complete ruin of the armed forces.

$1:

"They don't see the writing on the wall with regards to demographic change in the country. Basically, if you just keep recruiting white males, you're going to run out of qualified people."

While I agree that visible minorities should, if they so wish, become members of the armed forces, what I take exception to is the statment that your going to run out of white males. This is all smoke and mirrors being used to justify their attempt at changing the whole military system to suit some politically correct agenda.

What these rocket scientists haven't figured out yet is that most recent immigrants have no historical background to the military and likely emmigrated from countries where the military was veiwed as a tool for oppression. Given these factors is it any wonder they aren't having a major success in recruiting visible minorities from immigrant populations.

As for not being able to achieve a higher than 11% ratio of women, I honestly can't answer that but to blame it on the "system" is bullshit and just another excuse to say that "white males are the problem" which lets the government off the hook, without actually delving deeper into the issue to find the real reasons.

The simple solution for this whole problem is conscription. With conscription you don't have any racism or gender bias, everyone gets screwed equally. That should solve the recruiting problem, now shouldn't it.

The problem with conscription is that you get crap soldiers, who just want to do their time and get out. Volunteer forces are far more militarily effective than conscripts.

I agree one hundred percent, but with volunteers who are promoted due to gender and race, rather than ability and qualifications, you're still going to get a crap military. I've served with far to many losers who were promoted just to get them off a ship or out of a position, so can you imagine a whole military made up of unqualified people leading.

[Wullu]

Ahhh conscription. Why is it always the folks who don't have to deal with thousands of really pissed off recruits that keep endorsing it?

Much rather sail 50% short in my trade with volunteers than 100% with draftees.

[AsianWildRose]

It's a very difficult sell. The majority of visible minorities come to Canada in order to escape war and persecution to make a better life for themselves and more importantly for their children. The last thing they want are their sons to be thrown back into the military. I have some family (Vietnamese) who are considering being police officers and even that is ruffling some feathers.

A sad but true fact is that for some immigrants who have become Canadian citizens, it was once worthy for them to serve for their old country (out of necessity) but not worthy for their son to serve their new one (by volunteering).

[BartSimpson]

Wullu Wullu:

Ahhh conscription. Why is it always the folks who don't have to deal with thousands of really pissed off recruits that keep endorsing it?

Much rather sail 50% short in my trade with volunteers than 100% with draftees.

There's a reason that too many militaries around the world consistently refer to conscripts as 'zombies'.

I'd rather sail with you on a ship half-manned with guys who want to be there and who want to come back than to be on the ship with guys who don't want to be there and don't care enough to insure that they come back.