[Tricks]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Really? Pence doesn't want gay people to have the same rights as straight people?

When did he say that?

Well for one he opposed a bill that would make it illegal to not hire someone based on sexual orientation, the same way it can't be done if someone is black. But what do you expect from religious nutjobs?

[N_Fiddledog]

Was that the one he opposed as a congressman where he said:

$1:

“I don’t condone discrimination against people for any reason whatsoever. I believe in civility and decency in society. But the problem here is that by extending the reach of Federal law to cover sexual orientation, employment discrimination protections, in effect, can wage war on the free exercise of religion in the workplace.”

“Either the employer has to ban employees from having a Bible at the workplace for their break time, or displaying Bible verses, and thereby face a lawsuit under title VII for religious discrimination, or the employer then has to continue to allow it and face a potential lawsuit under ENDA by the homosexual employee. This sets up a constitutional conflict headed for the courts, about which Congress should not involve itself.”

“I strongly oppose the Employment Non-Discrimination Act. We must stand for the right of every American to practice their faith according to the dictates of their conscience, whether it be in the public square or in the workplace,” Pence concluded.

The Employment Non-Discrimination Act, right?

It's rarely as simple as one side of the argument.

[Tricks]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Was that the one he opposed as a congressman where he said:

$1:

“I don’t condone discrimination against people for any reason whatsoever. I believe in civility and decency in society. But the problem here is that by extending the reach of Federal law to cover sexual orientation, employment discrimination protections, in effect, can wage war on the free exercise of religion in the workplace.”

“Either the employer has to ban employees from having a Bible at the workplace for their break time, or displaying Bible verses, and thereby face a lawsuit under title VII for religious discrimination, or the employer then has to continue to allow it and face a potential lawsuit under ENDA by the homosexual employee. This sets up a constitutional conflict headed for the courts, about which Congress should not involve itself.”

“I strongly oppose the Employment Non-Discrimination Act. We must stand for the right of every American to practice their faith according to the dictates of their conscience, whether it be in the public square or in the workplace,” Pence concluded.

The Employment Non-Discrimination Act, right?

It's rarely as simple as one side of the argument.

Except I don't agree with him. He's putting his faith before the right of people to work. He's a piece of shit. No one is saying you can't have a bible at the workplace. It's saying you can't decide not to hire someone because they're gay. That's a huge strawman, way to fall for it.

The fact that you can defend this garbage is extremely telling about your own character. The guy is a monster and deserves to be run out of any town he goes in. Fuck Mike Pence.

[N_Fiddledog]

Tricks Tricks:

The fact that you can defend this garbage is extremely telling about your own character.

Thanks Bud. Do you know how hard I've been trying not to make this personal? 'What's wrong with this guy?' I said to myself. Doesn't he know he's beat yet? When is he going to do the proggy "just shut up you poop-head" thing by making it personal.

OK, so you are bigoted against Christians I think we established that in the other thread, and now you're confirming it.

That's done then...thanks, I've been waiting to say that. However, I'll discuss the actual issue of conflicting claims on a separate following post.

[xerxes]

[N_Fiddledog]

Tricks. While you're waiting to see how anti-christian bias figures into the inability to objectively consider the issue and see the conflict of claims here, you can check this one out.

It will matter later.

Obama’s Favorite Broadway Show ‘Hamilton’ Seeks ‘Non-White’ Actors, Possibly Violating New York Law

Xerxes, almost sounds like you're saying, "Next time, you'll get shot."

[martin14]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Xerxes, almost sounds like you're saying, "Next time, you'll get shot."

Lefties like killing people.

[xerxes]

More like, "Let's put this in perspective."

[BartSimpson]

Tricks Tricks:

Except I don't agree with (Pence). He's putting his faith before the right of people to work.

Do religious people have a right to work? Are you proposing that people have to stop being Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Sikh, etc. when they enter a workplace? Or do they have the right to work consistent with their beliefs?

Tricks Tricks:

He's a piece of shit.

Based upon your skewed perception of him I imagine he is. The reality is considerably different.

Tricks Tricks:

No one is saying you can't have a bible at the workplace.

http://pilotonline.com/news/government/ ... a011f.html

Tricks Tricks:

It's saying you can't decide not to hire someone because they're gay. That's a huge strawman, way to fall for it.

The fact that you can defend this garbage is extremely telling about your own character. The guy is a monster and deserves to be run out of any town he goes in. Fuck Mike Pence.

Looks like you're going to have to suck it up and deal with at least four years of VP Pence and possibly eight-to-ten more of him as President if Trump passes away while in office.

[N_Fiddledog]

OK so this is what's disputed.

Tricks Tricks:

There is evidence to support that he is a very vocal opponent to anything relating to gay people having the same rights and straight people.

As we get into it we discover this "evidence" stems from Pence's opposition to The Employment Non-Discrimination Act.

The issue concerned "civil" rights.

Conflict of claims can be seen as one of perception. Pence perceives a possible conflict of civil rights:

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Some examples under ENDA [The Employment Non-Discrimination Act] would mean employees around the country who possess religious beliefs that are opposed to homosexual behavior would be forced, in effect, to lay down their rights and convictions at the door. For example, if an employee keeps a Bible in his or her cubicle, if an employee displays a Bible verse on their desk, that employee could be claimed by a homosexual colleague to be creating a hostile work environment because the homosexual employee objects to passages in the Bible relating to homosexuality.

You may not see that if you are laboring with a nature of Anti-Christian bigotry. You will not see the possible conflict between the civil rights of Christians and the civil rights of homosexuals there. Perhaps you don't think Christians have civil rights.

What about the one previously mentioned then? "The casting directors for the hit Broadway play Hamilton put out an ad specifically seeking “non-white” actors." Is it possible Whites might "perceive" a conflict of civil rights there?

Could Pence have a point? Could perceptions of human rights conflict between groups?

Therefore I suggest there is no conflict between Pence's claim, "“I don’t condone discrimination against people for any reason whatsoever." and his opposition to ENDA.

The "evidence" for a claim of Pence's supposed rejection of human rights civil or other is not there. Perception of possible conflict of rights between groups is not rejection of either side's civil rights.

[N_Fiddledog]

‘Hamilton’ Star Who Lectured Pence Under Fire for ‘Racist,’ ‘Sexist’ Tweets

[N_Fiddledog]

Sounds like the play sucks anyway.

[PluggyRug]

Some perspective.

[xerxes]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Sounds like the play sucks anyway.

Yeah it's only won every Tony award possible and is sold out for the next two years. What garbage.

[BRAH]

Well....