[Canadian_Mind]

herbie herbie:

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Neville Chamberlain didn't solve the Nazi Germany problem, and emulating his methods has not solved the North Korea problem.

What did solve the Nazi Germany problem was willingness to commit to violence to bring it to an end. Had that commitment been made sooner, solving the Nazi Germany problem would not have been so costly. Why make the same mistake with North Korea?

[bootlegga]

I highly doubt North Korea will never willingly give up their nukes, simply because they've seen too often what happens to dictators (w/o nukes) the US doesn't like - Saddam, Qaddafi, etc.

I personally wish that the Norks would give them up, because the leaders are unstable and quite possibly borderline insane, but I sincerely doubt it.

I also hope that Trump's advisors can talk him down off the ledge and that the US doesn't attack NK, because with their WMDs, they can devastate the Far East, with South Korea and Japan topping the list. And who knows, maybe they could even set off a nuke or two in the US using unconventional means, by launching from a freighter or weather balloon or something equally strange.

The Chinese are correct - attacking NK is a no-win situation for everyone involved.

[Canadian_Mind]

bootlegga bootlegga:

I highly doubt North Korea will never willingly give up their nukes, simply because they've seen too often what happens to dictators (w/o nukes) the US doesn't like - Saddam, Qaddafi, etc.

I personally wish that the Norks would give them up, because the leaders are unstable and quite possibly borderline insane, but I sincerely doubt it.

I also hope that Trump's advisors can talk him down off the ledge and that the US doesn't attack NK, because with their WMDs, they can devastate the Far East, with South Korea and Japan topping the list. And who knows, maybe they could even set off a nuke or two in the US using unconventional means, by launching from a freighter or weather balloon or something equally strange.

The Chinese are correct - attacking NK is a no-win situation for everyone involved.

What's the better alternative? Hit them now while they have a limited number of weapons and delivery options, or wait for them to develop the boldness and capability to strike first themselves?

[BRAH]

bootlegga bootlegga:

I highly doubt North Korea will never willingly give up their nukes, simply because they've seen too often what happens to dictators (w/o nukes) the US doesn't like - Saddam, Qaddafi, etc.

I personally wish that the Norks would give them up, because the leaders are unstable and quite possibly borderline insane, but I sincerely doubt it.

I also hope that Trump's advisors can talk him down off the ledge and that the US doesn't attack NK, because with their WMDs, they can devastate the Far East, with South Korea and Japan topping the list. And who knows, maybe they could even set off a nuke or two in the US using unconventional means, by launching from a freighter or weather balloon or something equally strange.

The Chinese are correct - attacking NK is a no-win situation for everyone involved.

Trump's saber rattling for a preemptive strike could be intentional pushing China to finally take some type of real action against North Korea.

[herbie]

Yeah I guess you idiots are right. The USA can use the option it's had since 1953, strike unilaterally and start WWIII. We can all be glowing ash and locked in a multi-generational war but we can be proud we're not disgraced like Chamberlain and wave flags and make movies cuz the kids left will have eight legs and three eyes.
Or we could get China's tacit approval, guarantee them a nuke free Korea and the north as a DMZ buffer zone and spend off trillions teaching the Norks a lesson, trillions more stopping the immediate invasion and destruction of S Korea that will result. Might only cost a couple hundred thousand lives.
Then China can buy up half the economy of S Korea at reduced prices and laugh all the way to the bank. And at us for doing their dirty work.
But we'll win!!!

[CDN_PATRIOT]

You'd rather have the DPRK blowing up Japan and South Korea first? That little troll needs to be dealt with and made an example to any other wannabe despot. Take out his arsenal before he uses it to take out others. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.

-J.

[Thanos]

Seems like a great plan until one of his wavy-gravy missiles gets through and lands in the middle of a Japanese city.

[martin14]

bootlegga bootlegga:

I highly doubt North Korea will never willingly give up their nukes, simply because they've seen too often what happens to dictators (w/o nukes) the US doesn't like - Saddam, Qaddafi, etc.

The better example is Ukraine. They had them, gave them up because everyone
'guaranteed their safety and borders'.

And look what happened.

Only a complete idiot would give up the nuclear progress they have made now,
the Great Powers simply cannot be trusted. On either side.

Thanos Thanos:

Seems like a great plan until one of his wavy-gravy missiles gets through and lands in the middle of a Japanese city.

I agree it's probably too late to take him out now.
About 8 years too late, wouldn't you agree ?

The price of doing nothing.

[Thanos]

Maybe not recklessly naming North Korea as part of the "Axis Of Evil (dun-dun-dun!)" 15 years ago might have not set them off in the first place, eh?

[Winnipegger]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Wow.

You need to get that toxoplasmosis treated or be more careful changing the litter box. You're not running for the Libs anymore,so you don't need to be cranking out the BS.

What makes you think I ever stopped trying to run for the Liberals? Some of them are upset that I don't go along with the Dipper crap coming out of the current Liberal government. Doesn't mean I ever stopped.

[BRAH]

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Clinton and Albright are responsible for the North Korean nuclear threat.

[Thanos]

No, it's all because Truman was too much of a goddamn pussywimp to let MacArthur go in and blow out those Commie bastards!



AAAUUUUGGGGHHHHH! AAAAUUUUGGGGHHHHHH!

[bootlegga]

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

bootlegga bootlegga:

I highly doubt North Korea will never willingly give up their nukes, simply because they've seen too often what happens to dictators (w/o nukes) the US doesn't like - Saddam, Qaddafi, etc.

I personally wish that the Norks would give them up, because the leaders are unstable and quite possibly borderline insane, but I sincerely doubt it.

I also hope that Trump's advisors can talk him down off the ledge and that the US doesn't attack NK, because with their WMDs, they can devastate the Far East, with South Korea and Japan topping the list. And who knows, maybe they could even set off a nuke or two in the US using unconventional means, by launching from a freighter or weather balloon or something equally strange.

The Chinese are correct - attacking NK is a no-win situation for everyone involved.

What's the better alternative? Hit them now while they have a limited number of weapons and delivery options, or wait for them to develop the boldness and capability to strike first themselves?

The fact is it's too late to attack them now, unless we want to risk WMD strikes on allies in Asia and maybe in North America.

While the Norks may seem irrational/insane from our POV, look at how they see it - the world's most powerful nation has repeatedly called them dangerous and labelled them part of the Axis of Evil. They've also seen other dictators and nations get attacked by that nation and its allies and feel they have some reason to be worried.

I think the only real strategy is to get China to deal with them, perhaps by helping to negotiate an official end to the Korean War - that might calm them down enough to make them realize that the world isn't biding their time waiting to attack them. China can do that by tightening the screws economically, as NK sends 90% of its exports to China.

A cornered rat is always much more dangerous than a complacent one.

Getting them off a constant war footing and trying to get them to open up to the world like China did may be the only way to defuse the situation. The Chinese learned that economic growth is better than the standard socialist dictatorship model, which eventually collapses under its own weight. And if they want to remain somewhat isolationist, China can help NK build its own version of the Great Firewall to keep its citizens in the dark.

[Thanos]

Good thing to see CNN's reporting improve so dramatically over the last few months. Kudos for accuracy and keeping it simple.

[PluggyRug]