[Newsbot]

Title: Manning given 35 years for leaks
Category: Uncle Sam
Posted By: martin14
Date: 2013-08-21 07:22:44

[martin14]

and a dishonourable discharge of course.

[Brenda]

Isn't that a bit excessive?

[Jabberwalker]

That's a long time to lock up a naïve little twerp.

[GreenTiger]

Brenda Brenda:

Isn't that a bit excessive?

The Navy sub lieutenant who was selling Canadian and American secrets: What was he sentenced to ?

In the military they take a dim view of people revealing secrets for what ever their reason, the US Army is no exception.

[Thanos]

Dopey mixed-up kid ruined his whole life to serve the massive narcissistic egos of Julian Assange and Glenn Greenwald. Poor stupid bastard. Not much malice in him, just gullible. What a waste.

[Jabberwalker]

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

Brenda Brenda:

Isn't that a bit excessive?

The Navy sub lieutenant who was selling Canadian and American secrets: What was he sentenced to ?

In the military they take a dim view of people revealing secrets for what ever their reason, the US Army is no exception.

He wasn't a naïve little twerp doing it for some dime-store ideology. He is a real criminal who sold his country out because he needed the money. That's a much lower form of life, in my books.

[BartSimpson]

Brenda Brenda:

Isn't that a bit excessive?

He could've rated the death penalty instead.

[Brenda]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Brenda Brenda:

Isn't that a bit excessive?

He could've rated the death penalty instead.

I'm a tad uninformed, but I heard someone who sold secrets to the Russians when the Curtain was still up got a couple of months back then.
I guess we should call this 'inflation' then?

I dunno, nothing bad has come from this (the world still revolves around the sun, there's not more war going on because of this, no one died...) and 35 years is more than a lot of murderers get...

[DrCaleb]

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

In the military they take a dim view of people revealing secrets for what ever their reason, the US Army is no exception.

What if the secret being kept is actually a war crime?

Manning made his choice, and now comes the concequence.

[Thanos]

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[Thanos]

The thing was that the incident that got Manning all torqued up and ready to squeal wasn't even a war crime. It was an accidental shooting followed by some bad gallows humour by a couple of copter crewmen. It was a heat-of-battle thing that went bad, but was still non- deliberate and non-criminal.

[GreenTiger]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

In the military they take a dim view of people revealing secrets for what ever their reason, the US Army is no exception.

What if the secret being kept is actually a war crime?

Manning made his choice, and now comes the concequence.

I'm not coming to Manning's defense in the least. What ever his reasons or motivation was he is in uniform and he is releasing classified information that he knows full well is going to get into everybody's hands including our enemies. All military services on this planet take a rather harsh view of people doing this.

[DrCaleb]

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

In the military they take a dim view of people revealing secrets for what ever their reason, the US Army is no exception.

What if the secret being kept is actually a war crime?

Manning made his choice, and now comes the concequence.

I'm not coming to Manning's defense in the least. What ever his reasons or motivation was he is in uniform and he is releasing classified information that he knows full well is going to get into everybody's hands including our enemies. All military services on this planet take a rather harsh view of people doing this.

I will come to his defence. He swore an oath to defend his country, and in court he swore that he thought he was doing just that. But what he did also embarrassed his government.

I do not believe you can commit a war crime, then classify the details as 'secret' so that it can never be procecuted. And I'm not just speaking about that helo incident Thanos. That may have been his motivation, but the documents he released to the press through Wikileaks (NOT to the public) show things like child prostitution, bribery of forigen officials, Blackmail, Smuggling and Espionage. As these things were brought to light, many people felt the outrage that they happened, and also that they were 'classified' to protect the US government.

I applaud Manning, because he did what he thought was right, even knowing the concequences. And that means he will have to serve 11 years before he can be repeatedly be denied parole for another 24 years. Because, let's face it, that's what's going to happen.

With all these 10,000 documents released has a single person been indited on a single crime? Bradley Manning, Edward Snowdon, John Kiriakou, William Edward Binney, Thomas Drake - all these men leaked documents that uncover serious crimes and has anyone besides them faced any sort of concequence?

William Calley served 3 and a half years house arrest for the Mai Lai massacre in Vietnam, in which 304 civillians were killed. Right now, Robert Bales is on trial for killing 16 civillians in Afghanistan and if he gets the maximum sentence - life, he'll be eligible for parole in 10 years.

James Clapper purjured himself to the Senate Intelligence Committee saying that the NSA did not spy on it's citizens, then a few days later Edward Snowden showed everyone that they really do. Is he on trial? Yet Snowdon must fear for his life. The same day the NSA documents came to light, a 16 year old American boy was killed in a drone strike overseas authorized by the President, although the boy never had a trial. Will there be even a hearing into this murder?

Some say the release of those diplomatic documents precipitated the Arab Spring. Is not overthrowing dictators a worthy result?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pu ... nformation

As Noam Chomsky said in a speech last weekend:

Noam Chomsky Noam Chomsky:

The U.S. behaves nothing like a democracy

. . .

Well, another important feature of RECD is that the public must be kept in the dark about what is happening to them. The “herd” must remain “bewildered”. The reasons were explained lucidly by the professor of the science of government at Harvard – that’s the official name – another respected liberal figure, Samuel Huntington. As he pointed out, “power remains strong when it remains in the dark. Exposed to sunlight, it begins to evaporate”. Bradley Manning is facing a life in prison for failure to comprehend this scientific principle. Now Edward Snowden as well. And it works pretty well. If you take a look at polls, it reveals how well it works. So for example, recent polls pretty consistently reveal that Republicans are preferred to Democrats on most issues and crucially on the issues in which the public opposes the policies of the Republicans and favors the policies of the Democrats. One striking example of this is that majorities say that they favor the Republicans on tax policy, while the same majorities oppose those policies. This runs across the board.

http://www.salon.com/2013/08/17/chomsky ... democracy/

I commend Mr. Manning for sacrificing the rest of his life to shine a little light, however brief, on the 'herd'.

[BartSimpson]

Me, too.