[Newsbot]

Title: Liberals suffer reality blackout on electrcitiy usage
Category: Provincial Politics
Posted By: Alta_redneck
Date: 2012-06-22 06:28:58
Canadian

[saturn_656]

All Dalton's energy policy (and damn near every other policy) has done is increase the cost of living for Ontarians.

[martin14]

$1:

Thursday’s peak power demand was 24,000 megawatts at 5 p.m. On a similar day in 2006, it was more than 27,000.

wow, just wow.

[Yogi]

The Libs have been 'suffering from a reality blackout' for years! No one takes them seriously anymore, and they sure as hell aren't a threat to anyone. Jeez, The best they got to offer is 'Pierre Light'!

[OnTheIce]

As much as I dislike the current Liberal government, the article is filled with half-truths.

McGuinty didn't cause the manufacturing sector in Ontario to fall.

The government did give GM a bailout, which had more to do with just Oshawa and it prevented Oshawa from being closed years earlier. (2008). The money was also paid back.

[saturn_656]

$1:

The government did give GM a bailout, which had more to do with just Oshawa and it prevented Oshawa from being closed years earlier. (2008). The money was also paid back.

We forked out billions and GM Canada is probably smaller than it has ever been, and I'm not convinced that money was worth spending.

GM is reopening US facilities. Canada hasn't seen a GM opening since the 80's, just bad news after bad news. Shutdown after shutdown. Even after the reorganization and rebound. One line in Oshawa and CAMI, and Oshawa hasn't been doing too well at all. That's will be it for GM vehicle assembly in Canada.

Chrysler (FIAT) at least has kept its Canadian factories working AFAIK through their financial difficulty and has no plans to shut down its current facilities. I feel a little better about the money we sent them (which was small percentage of what we sent to GM)

[gonavy47]

McGuinty needs to go! How long will we keep this idiot in power? Recently he threatened a summer election? BRING IT ON!!!

[saturn_656]

I'd be more than happy to return to the polls if it meant knocking McGuinty out (or even down a few pegs).

[BeaverFever]

Another bullshit article from the SUN, confirming its status as overpriced bird-cage liner.

According to the Sun, Factory workers are "overpaid" and "obscolete" except when you can blame a Liberal for being in power when those same "good-paying jobs" are eliminated by offshoring and Reaganomics. Apparently, Dalton is to blame for the entire world-wide economic stagnation of recent years.

And while the artilce FALSELY claims that all "new" supply is wind, the government has built or refurbished Nuclear, Hydro and Gas power plants as well.

[gonavy47]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Another bullshit article from the SUN, confirming its status as overpriced bird-cage liner.

According to the Sun, Factory workers are "overpaid" and "obscolete" except when you can blame a Liberal for being in power when those same "good-paying jobs" are eliminated by offshoring and Reaganomics. Apparently, Dalton is to blame for the entire world-wide economic stagnation of recent years.

And while the artilce FALSELY claims that all "new" supply is wind, the government has built or refurbished Nuclear, Hydro and Gas power plants as well.

You should use the Toronto Star to line your cage. It turns the birdshit a delightful pink colour by leaking red ink into it.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Another bullshit article from the SUN, confirming its status as overpriced bird-cage liner.

According to the Sun, Factory workers are "overpaid" and "obscolete" except when you can blame a Liberal for being in power when those same "good-paying jobs" are eliminated by offshoring and Reaganomics. Apparently, Dalton is to blame for the entire world-wide economic stagnation of recent years.

And while the artilce FALSELY claims that all "new" supply is wind, the government has built or refurbished Nuclear, Hydro and Gas power plants as well.

That's not a false claim at all. Refurbished is NOT new. It means they were in action at one point, then taken out of action for whatever reasons, fixed up/upgraded and eventually brought back on-line.
As for building them, aside from the the turdbines, what nuclear, hydro or Gas plants has Dalton actually had built from scratch??
And more importantly, why the hell is McStupid bringing yet more power generation on-line when Ontario produces so much of the shit, it gets dumped with startling regularity?!

[bootlegga]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

As much as I dislike the current Liberal government, the article is filled with half-truths.

McGuinty didn't cause the manufacturing sector in Ontario to fall.

The government did give GM a bailout, which had more to do with just Oshawa and it prevented Oshawa from being closed years earlier. (2008). The money was also paid back.

Good points.

$1:

When it’s hot and sultry, as it was this week, and when we really need the extra electricity — the wind doesn’t blow.

Want to back that conjecture up with facts Mz. Blizzard?

Sorry, but wind turbines generate electricity when there is as little as 5 mph wind (8kmh). Even on most hot days, there is usually a slight wind between 5-10 kmh.

Frankly, this comes off as nothing more than a partisan attack.

[saturn_656]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

And more importantly, why the hell is McStupid bringing yet more power generation on-line when Ontario produces so much of the shit, it gets dumped with startling regularity?!

Dumped at prices Ontarian's can only dream of.

Market price for electricity right now is 2.19 cents per kwh. Including the vaguely named "global adjustment" brings the price to 7.31 cents per kwh.

At the moment we are paying 9.2 cents per kwh, which at 11 am will jump to 10.8 cents per kwh.

[BeaverFever]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Another bullshit article from the SUN, confirming its status as overpriced bird-cage liner.

According to the Sun, Factory workers are "overpaid" and "obscolete" except when you can blame a Liberal for being in power when those same "good-paying jobs" are eliminated by offshoring and Reaganomics. Apparently, Dalton is to blame for the entire world-wide economic stagnation of recent years.

And while the artilce FALSELY claims that all "new" supply is wind, the government has built or refurbished Nuclear, Hydro and Gas power plants as well.

That's not a false claim at all. Refurbished is NOT new. It means they were in action at one point, then taken out of action for whatever reasons, fixed up/upgraded and eventually brought back on-line.
As for building them, aside from the the turdbines, what nuclear, hydro or Gas plants has Dalton actually had built from scratch??
And more importantly, why the hell is McStupid bringing yet more power generation on-line when Ontario produces so much of the shit, it gets dumped with startling regularity?!

Sorry, but you dont know what youre talking about. There is nothing wrong with refurbishing versus new construction. Do you buy a new car every time you need an oil change? And you go on to suggest that McGuinty is building too much supply, after saying he's not buidling enough?

All units listed below are "new" unless listed as "shut down" or "upgraded". It doesn't covert well to text but here's the link:
http://www.ieso.ca/imoweb/media/md_supply.asp

New and Retired Generation Since the IESO Market Opened in May 2002.

Ontario’s electricity sector is going through a process of renewal – with the replacement of aging infrastructure and the transition to a more sustainable energy supply mix. Here’s an overview of new or refurbished generation projects of 20 MW or more that have been commissioned onto the system since 2002. This table also includes coal units that have been retired as part of the government’s plan to phase out coal by the end of 2014.


2003


Pickering Unit 4
515 MW


Bruce Unit 4
770 MW

2004


Bruce Unit 3
782 MW


Brighton Beach
580 MW


Kirkland Lake
32 MW


Beck and Kipling (Upgrades)
80 MW

2005


Pickering Unit 1
515 MW


Lakeview (Retirement)
-1,130 MW

2006


Greater Toronto Airport Authority
117 MW


Amaranth
68 MW


Kingsbridge
40 MW


Port Burwell
99 MW


Prince Wind Project
99 MW


Prince II Wind Project
90 MW

2007


Abitibi Canyon (Upgrades)
20 MW


Ripley
76 MW

2008


Portlands Energy Centre (Simple Cycle)
394 MW


Greenfield Energy Centre
1,153 MW


Umbata Falls
24 MW


Kruger Energy Port Alma (T1) Wind Project
101 MW


Melancthon II
132 MW

2009


St. Clair Energy Centre
678 MW


Portlands Energy Centre (Combined Cycle)
246 MW


Goreway Station
942 MW


Beck Unit 7 conversion
69 MW


Beck 2 upgrades
68 MW


Enbridge Ontario Wind Farm
182 MW

Wolfe Island Wind Project
198 MW


East Windsor Cogeneration
100 MW

2010


Thorold Cogeneration
287 MW


Halton Hills Generating Station
705 MW


Nanticoke and Lambton unit shutdowns
-2,000 MW



Conversion of Fort Frances to biomass
47 MW


Kruger Energy Chatham (T3) Wind Project
101 MW

2011


Gosfield Wind Project
50 MW


Spence Wind Farm
99 MW


Talbot Wind Farm
99 MW


Nanticoke Units 1 and 2 shutdown
-980 MW

2012


Greenwich Wind Farm
99 MW

From another page on IESO's site:
http://www.ieso.ca/imoweb/siteshared/imports_exports.asp

$1:

Every hour of every day, Ontario imports and exports energy with neighbouring jurisdictions based on changing market and system conditions.

Being interconnected means that when unexpected problems occur on the system, such as generation unexpectedly tripping off, neighbouring states and provinces can quickly make up the power shortfall.

An interconnected grid also means that Ontario has the ability to import power if it’s available at a lower price. Conversely, power can be exported when it’s not needed in Ontario. Without the ability to export, Ontario’s generators would lose important revenue streams which helps recoup some of the costs for maintaining their facilities and helps maintain reliability. These are costs that would otherwise be paid for by Ontario consumers.

Over the last five years, Ontario has moved from being a net importer of power to a net exporter as it renews its generation fleet in preparation for the closure of coal-fired generating plants and the refurbishment of several nuclear units. Through multiple connection points, Ontario is capable of importing up to 4,800 megawatts of power, strengthening system reliability. Below is a table that shows monthly imports and exports in megawatt hours and dollars.