[Proculation]

That thing was a lot in the news last week. A lot of Quebec artists (those who get all the subsidies to sing the same song than 20 years ago) went in a bus tour to Ottawa for that. They compare the ipod tax to the tax on blank CD. But since you can put thousands of songs in a ipod and only ~15-20 on a CD, they want the tax to be around 50$.

They also want to add a tax to all other players that can hold MP3s. Like cell phones, DVD player, usb keys, etc. Even hard drives.

They are completly out of their mind.

[hurley_108]

RUEZ RUEZ:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

RUEZ RUEZ:

It's not hard to believe the Liberals would do this, they've done it before. I'm tired of paying for freeloaders to download music and movies.

Let me ask you this. I have bought a DVD. I have an iPod. I can watch my DVD on my TV. Am I allowed to watch my DVD on my iPod?

I would assume so, but what does this have to do with people downloading music and movies?

Because the Conservatives are proposing to essentially criminalize it all. They are proposing to driminalize the act of defeating copy protection on any and all media you have purchased, for any reason, even if you do not distribute it to others.

It will still be legal to rip any DVD that does not have copy protection, but almost every DVD sold, even if it's for a title that's 30 years old, is copy protected.

This is a pretty serious impingement on what is currently legal, but to deflect attention away from such shortcomings in their own bill, they're launching this attack ad campaign.

That's what the one has to do with the other.

[Proculation]

Actually hurley, there's a condition in the law that says you can make 2 copies of a copyrighted media if you have bought it. Like a "rescue" media to protect your original.

[Curtman]

RUEZ RUEZ:

You're in denial.
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canadavotes2006/national/2006/01/11/elxn-tory-lib-ads-reax.html

It was a contest on the Liberal party website for people to submit ads, and people voted on them. The winning ad never aired.

$1:

the Progressive Conservative ad showing a still of Jean Chrétien's partially paralyzed face and asking "Does this look like a prime minister?

That one did.

[Curtman]

Proculation Proculation:

Actually hurley, there's a condition in the law that says you can make 2 copies of a copyrighted media if you have bought it. Like a "rescue" media to protect your original.

$1:

Copying for Private Use

Where no infringement of copyright

80. (1) Subject to subsection (2), the act of reproducing all or any substantial part of
(a) a musical work embodied in a sound recording,
(b) a performer’s performance of a musical work embodied in a sound recording, or
(c) a sound recording in which a musical work, or a performer’s performance of a musical work, is embodied
onto an audio recording medium for the private use of the person who makes the copy does not constitute an infringement of the copyright in the musical work, the performer’s performance or the sound recording.
Limitation

(2) Subsection (1) does not apply if the act described in that subsection is done for the purpose of doing any of the following in relation to any of the things referred to in paragraphs (1)(a) to (c):
(a) selling or renting out, or by way of trade exposing or offering for sale or rental;
(b) distributing, whether or not for the purpose of trade;
(c) communicating to the public by telecommunication; or
(d) performing, or causing to be performed, in public.
1997, c. 24, s. 50.

Currently, you can make copies for yourself. The Harper law will make it illegal for you to do that if there is DRM involved. You are not allowed to distribute any copies on a peer to peer network.

[RUEZ]

I'm actually not in favour of everything the Conservatives would like to pass in their bill. However in the past the Liberals have taxed us on CD's and other media, and that's what this is about. I have no doubt they would do it again.

[Curtman]

RUEZ RUEZ:

I'm actually not in favour of everything the Conservatives would like to pass in their bill. However in the past the Liberals have taxed us on CD's and other media, and that's what this is about. I have no doubt they would do it again.

It's a desperate strategy when they/you have to invent policy to criticize. I guess that's a good sign.

[bootlegga]

RUEZ RUEZ:

It's not hard to believe the Liberals would do this, they've done it before. I'm tired of paying for freeloaders to download music and movies.

Feel free to explain how you are paying for freeloaders who download movies.

[RUEZ]

bootlegga bootlegga:

RUEZ RUEZ:

It's not hard to believe the Liberals would do this, they've done it before. I'm tired of paying for freeloaders to download music and movies.

Feel free to explain how you are paying for freeloaders who download movies.

Recordable media tax. I thought I had included that in my post.

[hurley_108]

RUEZ RUEZ:

I'm actually not in favour of everything the Conservatives would like to pass in their bill. However in the past the Liberals have taxed us on CD's and other media, and that's what this is about. I have no doubt they would do it again.

Well I think the (re) election prospects of anyone who tried to slap a tax on a device as popular as the iPod is now would be ziltch.

On the plus side, it might get out the youth vote!

I believe there actually was once a levy in place on iPods, and quite a steep one at something like $20 or so, but it got rescinded. And that was back when there was just the one kind if iPod, and the technology and market and piracy issues were still so new that nobody had any firm asumptions of the way things are supposed to be.

But going back to my initial point, the iPod has just exploded in popularity since then. Then it was a multi-hundred dollar piece of kit that just played music, but played it better than anything esle in capacity and interface. Now you can have one for less than $100, and everyone and his dog has one. It would be political suicide to implement a levy on them now. Everyone would notice that iPods suddenly cost more. Everyone would get roaring mad.

The Liberals have made some boneheaded moves lately, but I think they're just smart enough to realize this would be a phenomenally bad move.

[Canadian_Mind]

Curtman Curtman:

I suppose you're proud of this Conservative attack "Ad"?

That's actually rather funny.

[DrCaleb]

Liberals can bitch all they want. How did they actually VOTE the last time copying levies came up?

http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublication ... C--4426088

And Hurley is right. The copying legislation will be nullified by the ACTA because to ratify ACTA Canadian copyright laws will have to be changed. And that includes the limitation that digital locks may not be broken, even for fair dealing purposes.

http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/4741/125/

[hurley_108]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Liberals can bitch all they want. How did they actually VOTE the last time copying levies came up?

http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublication ... C--4426088

Well, shit.

[bootlegga]

RUEZ RUEZ:

bootlegga bootlegga:

RUEZ RUEZ:

It's not hard to believe the Liberals would do this, they've done it before. I'm tired of paying for freeloaders to download music and movies.

Feel free to explain how you are paying for freeloaders who download movies.

Recordable media tax. I thought I had included that in my post.

To me it's no different that the fees SOCAN charges to your dentist/doctor/the shopping mall/movie theatre/etc - all of which causes your bill to be just a little higher than if SOCAN wasn't charging it.

If you don't buy it, you don't pay for it - just like GST, gas taxes, etc.

[Scape]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Liberals can bitch all they want. How did they actually VOTE the last time copying levies came up?

http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublication ... C--4426088

Well, shit.

Yep, the wolves are guarding the hen house. They are being paid for by the industry and think the public won't care. A perfect recipe for corruption if ever there was.