[OnTheIce]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

What specifically is the issue with the curriculum? I haven't heard anyone comment on it at all. Admittedly, this is not rare among the tightie-righties who aren't goping to let anything get in the way of a righteous dudgeon. Based on the level of reaction here, it must be something pretty horrible.

As annoying as Ezra is to watch, if you watch the clips in the video, you'll see some of the stuff within.

Don't lay the blame of the outrage at the feet of left wingers. As I mentioned previously, the people I've heard most bitch about this in my personal life are those who always vote and support the Liberals or NDP's....even taking to Facebook to share their outrage.

[andyt]

There's a lot more than that. They're going to teach kids that gay sex is perfectly OK, which will make them all run out after class and try it. They're going to teach these kids how to have oral and anal sex for Gods sake. Anal! Probably bring in that pedophile ex-minister to demonstrate on the kids.

We all know from our own childhood that kids never talk about this among themselves, but wait until their parents give them the correct information, ie sex is only for making babies, the missionary position is the only correct one, gay sex is evil. And of course you only tell them all this just before their wedding day, since they would never even have considered having sex before then.

[Zipperfish]

andyt andyt:

There's a lot more than that. They're going to teach kids that gay sex is perfectly OK, which will make them all run out after class and try it. They're going to teach these kids how to have oral and anal sex for Gods sake. Anal! Probably bring in that pedophile ex-minister to demonstrate on the kids.

We all know from our own childhood that kids never talk about this among themselves, but wait until their parents give them the correct information, ie sex is only for making babies, the missionary position is the only correct one, gay sex is evil. And of course you only tell them all this just before their wedding day, since they would never even have considered having sex before then.

I glanced over the curriculum. I think the reason they are teaching kids about anal sex in Grade 7 is so they know that it increases the chances of STDs, including HIV. That's important.

That said, I wish they'd spend more time on math and science.

I have to straighten out my son on some of the politically correct claptrap he learns.

[Tricks]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

I have to straighten out my son on some of the politically correct claptrap he learns.

I'm curious as to what that might be? Wondering how it's changed since I was in school.

[ShepherdsDog]

aren't you still in middle school?

[Tricks]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

aren't you still in middle school?

I made it all the way to highschool!

[Zipperfish]

Tricks Tricks:

I'm curious as to what that might be? Wondering how it's changed since I was in school.

The most recent was the Vikings. I guess they are focussing on how the Vikings were really a trading nation and the social changes that they brought about in society. BORING!

While that may be true, it's not the defining feature of the Vikings. They were a warrior race who struck fear into the heart of Europe and elsewhere with their ferocious battle "berserker" style and ships bearing fearful figureheads at their bow. Much more interesting stuff.

[ShepherdsDog]

Exciting yes, but realistic...not really. Some of them were solely traders and some were raiders, much like Britain's sailors. We had British traders, privateers, explorers, colonists and out and out pirates. Sometimes there was a mix. Different clans, tribes, nations did things differently. It wasn't a monolithic movement. Some Norse kings actually became police detectives.

[fifeboy]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Exciting yes, but realistic...not really. Some of them were solely traders and some were raiders, much like Britain's sailors. We had British traders, privateers, explorers, colonists and out and out pirates. Sometimes there was a mix. Different clans, tribes, nations did things differently. It wasn't a monolithic movement. Some Norse kings actually became police detectives.

Well, I suspect it would be conducive to confessing when being interrogated my DCI Bloodax.

[N_Fiddledog]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

What specifically is the issue with the curriculum? I haven't heard anyone comment on it at all.

Actually there was a video before your post on the previous page where Ezra gave you a number of specific complaints on the curriculum. He read from the curriculum.

Among other curriculum complaints he suggested it created a sexualized climate in an underage mind that could allow it to become more open to sexual grooming by pedos like Ben Levin. You know? Ben Levin who oversaw the creation of the curriculum.

But I'll tell you what, if you're all "quick, plug your ears it's Ezra", here's Barbara Kay.

$1:

I have three objections to the curriculum. The first is that it introduces advanced material too early, before children are psychologically ready to absorb it; the second is that it teaches details of intimate behaviour to children in a group that is best conveyed one-on-one or through texts a child can read alone; and the third is that the course teaches sex as behaviour that is detached from any moral component (apart from the responsibility not to spread disease or get pregnant).

Normally in children, between the ages of six to 12, known as the “latency period,” sexual energies fall dormant. It is because they are undistracted by sexuality in these years that children are optimally educable in the areas crucial to cultural growth: literacy, maths, history and science.

Only at adolescence do hormonal changes create the appropriate psychological context for absorbing ideas about “gender identity” and sexual ethics in a meaningful light. During the latency period, children should be taught simple human biology as part of their science program: i.e. how our bodies function, how babies are made, and that’s it. There is no need to get into the intricacies and variety of sexual desire at this stage.

What is the value of learning sexual details in a group? We don’t know. There are no studies that tell us that classroom discussions of sexual activity lead to a better understanding or more responsible behaviour than simply assigning reading material to be absorbed in private. School is an artificially constructed environment to begin with. Discussing grammar and history accords well with the classroom format. But human beings seek privacy to have sex for a reason. In my opinion, coed group viewing and discussion of sexual behaviour that it is taboo to actually watch in real life invites voyeuristic imaging. It has the potential for creating an unhealthy classroom dynamic, and extreme discomfort in naturally shy children or those raised in an environment of sexual modesty.

Finally, morality: Those of us who view the curriculum with concern feel that its treatment of sex as a pleasurable activity unrelated (especially in girls) to self-worth, honour, the value of deferred gratification, high selectivity and the deleterious effects of promiscuity is only half a program, a program that in conservative minds is more likely to lead to indiscriminate sexual behaviour and an inability to set moral boundaries than to happiness and self-respect.

The right of parents to protect their children from too much information too soon — through exemptions if they wish

In 2009, proponents of the program rejected such concerns. Alex McKay, research co-ordinator for the Sex Information and Education Council of Canada, claimed that “[Y]oung people who are very well educated about sexuality and sexual health tend to delay having sex, because they fully understand everything that’s involved. …” But a study published in the Archives of Pediatric and Adolescent Medicine of the American Medical Association, as I noted at the time, found that abstinence programs that teach human sexuality as predominantly psychological, emotional and moral rather than merely physical reduced sexual-activity rates among teens by a third in contrast with data-heavy ‘safe sex’ programs.”

But reducing sexual-activity rates is clearly not the goal of this program. The goal seems to be the normalization of robust sexual experimentation in all its permutations — in a word, libertinism, the antithesis of morality-based sexual education — along with the promotion of “social justice,” a sexual utopia in which heteronormativity is but one of many equally safe and uncomplicated life choices.

Certainly it is an admirable goal to ensure that no individual is discriminated against on the basis of his or her sexual orientation. But to begin the process before nature has activated children’s curiosity is a form of mental invasion they have not assented to. The right of parents to protect their children from too much information too soon — through exemptions if they wish — should trump the right of the Ministry of Education to further its theory-based agenda.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/02/24 ... -too-soon/

[OnTheIce]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

I glanced over the curriculum. I think the reason they are teaching kids about anal sex in Grade 7 is so they know that it increases the chances of STDs, including HIV. That's important.

That said, I wish they'd spend more time on math and science.

I have to straighten out my son on some of the politically correct claptrap he learns.

I will definitely make for interesting dinner conversation with your 12 year old when you chat about anal sex and anal fluid.

[Zipperfish]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Exciting yes, but realistic...not really. Some of them were solely traders and some were raiders, much like Britain's sailors. We had British traders, privateers, explorers, colonists and out and out pirates. Sometimes there was a mix. Different clans, tribes, nations did things differently. It wasn't a monolithic movement. Some Norse kings actually became police detectives.

Yeah, see that's why my kid doesn't like history. Having been schooled in three countries, I can say that it's a uniquely Canadian thing to try to make it as dull as possible. It's not realistic to say that the Vikings were peaceful traders either.

[ShepherdsDog]

No....if business wasn't profitable enough they'd supplement it with looting on the way home.

[Zipperfish]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Actually there was a video before your post on the previous page where Ezra gave you a number of specific complaints on the curriculum.

Bart posted the curriculum--that's what I was after. Not Ezra having yet another shit hemorrhage.

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Among other curriculum complaints he suggested it created a sexualized climate in an underage mind that could allow it to become more open to sexual grooming by pedos like Ben Levin. You know? Ben Levin who oversaw the creation of the curriculum.

I asked for specifics. This isn't specific at all.

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I have three objections to the curriculum. The first is that it introduces advanced material too early, before children are psychologically ready to absorb it; the second is that it teaches details of intimate behaviour to children in a group that is best conveyed one-on-one or through texts a child can read alone; and the third is that the course teaches sex as behaviour that is detached from any moral component (apart from the responsibility not to spread disease or get pregnant).

This is much better.

Moral component? I sure hope that Barbara Kay doesn't have kids. Newsflash: Teach your kids morals. Don't count on the school to do it.

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What is the value of learning sexual details in a group? We don’t know.

Who is the "we" she is referring to?

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Finally, morality: Those of us who view the curriculum with concern feel that its treatment of sex as a pleasurable activity unrelated (especially in girls) to self-worth, honour, the value of deferred gratification, high selectivity and the deleterious effects of promiscuity is only half a program, a program that in conservative minds is more likely to lead to indiscriminate sexual behaviour and an inability to set moral boundaries than to happiness and self-respect.

Jesus H. Christ, you couldn't get a pin up her ass with a jackhammer. I pity her husband. I betcha he can count the number of blowjobs he's gotten on zero fingers.

[Zipperfish]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

I will definitely make for interesting dinner conversation with your 12 year old when you chat about anal sex and anal fluid.

Yeah--"don't have unprotected anal sex or you'll end up with AIDS." Probably won't be over dinner, but I'll make sure that is communicated.

So you're just going to skip the whole talk altogether? Yeah, that's some good parenting.