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Posts: 3915
 Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 3:05 pm
Did anyone see this coming...????
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Posts: 2074
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 3:29 pm
Did anyone NOT see this coming...
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Posts: 6584
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 3:38 pm
Did anyone know they are coming to Quebec City ?
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Posts: 1098
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 4:39 pm
Big difference. $1: Baum's 28-page ruling says the Balsillie bid was denied "with prejudice," which means he cannot come back with an amended bid. As far as that bankruptcy court is concerned, it is done with him. The NHL offer was denied "without prejudice," meaning that the door is open for league to come back to the court with an improved offer.
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Posts: 1092
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:57 pm
This has turned into the league of silliness and ranks right up there with politicians for it .
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Mukluk
Forum Junkie
Posts: 718
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:17 pm
The NHL better have their spin doctors working overtime because a year from now, when the team finally does get sold and moved, there is going to be some 'splaining to do.  /m
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Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:09 am
A league with most of its teams in a country that doesn't give a crap about the game just turned down an opportunity for a driven business man to try and turn around a franchise, in the country that loves the game...the NHL is a joke. Pretty indicative of Canada's place in the world frankly.
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Posts: 3915
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 5:44 am
The NHL just doesn't like being bullied... If Balsillie really wanted a team he could have purchased the Coyotes. Operated the team in Phoenix for a few years then pleaded his case to the NHL to relocate... BUT NO he wanted to get into a gunfight and lost...
If I had to go to court to get force my admittance into a club then I would be asking do I really want to be a member of this organization?
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Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 8:20 am
stemmer stemmer: The NHL just doesn't like being bullied... If Balsillie really wanted a team he could have purchased the Coyotes. Operated the team in Phoenix for a few years then pleaded his case to the NHL to relocate... BUT NO he wanted to get into a gunfight and lost...
If I had to go to court to get force my admittance into a club then I would be asking do I really want to be a member of this organization? False. The NHL has a suicidal, pathological need to make a winter sport work in a tropical region. Its friggen retarded. Basillie was trying to win a gun fight yes, but a gunfight that the NHL started. It wasn't going to go any other way. No amount of "pleading" was going to get another franchise in Canada. Canadians should get a little self respect and take their game back. If Canadians stopped supporting this foreign controlled league, it would collapse overnight.
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Posts: 3915
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 8:35 am
I guess you forget a few years ago when MacLeans and other Canadian media were reporting NHL hockey in Canada was not viable. That only Montreal & TO would have teams... I guess you forget the NHL's Canadian Assistance Program to help the ailing Canadian teams... Even the Oilers courted and threatened to move to Houston... IF our loonie ever slips to the levels it did a few years ago, hockey in Canada will become once again not viable... You can try to spin this into a Canada vs US thread as much as you want but it's not true.... We still have NHL teams in Canada because Bettman & company help our teams.... http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2001/12/ ... 11204.html$1:
NHL extends Canadian assistance
Last Updated: Tuesday, December 4, 2001 | 8:28 PM ET
CBC Sports
The NHL board of governors has to extend the league's Canadian Currency Assistance Plan through the end of the 2003-04 season.
The plan, which received unanimous approval on Tuesday, helps select Canadian-based NHL clubs compensate for the disparity between the Canadian and U.S. dollar.
The Canadian buck was worth 0.64 US on Tuesday.
The Calgary Flames, Edmonton Oilers, Ottawa Senators and Vancouver Canucks currently qualify for some $2.7 million in annual assistance.
The Montreal Canadiens and Toronto Maple Leafs do not meet the criteria.
The board also ratified new contracts with CBC and TSN for Canadian television rights.
$1: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... _68620641/For the 1999-2000 season, the Canadiens reported a financial loss from rising player salaries, a lack of playoff revenue, the weak Canadian dollar and high municipal taxes on the Molson Centre.
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Lemmy
CKA Uber
Posts: 12349
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 8:42 am
stemmer stemmer: I guess you forget a few years ago when MacLeans and other Canadian media were reporting NHL hockey in Canada was not viable. That only Montreal & TO would have teams... I guess you forget the NHL's Canadian Assistance Program to help the ailing Canadian teams... Even the Oilers courted and threatened to move to Houston...
IF our loonie ever slips to the levels it did a few years ago, hockey in Canada will become once again not viable... It's only "not-viable" at a low exchange rate when: a) American teams artificially drive up salaries with ridiculous contracts (yes, the Blues were the worst offenders in the early 1990s); b) American teams are given things like tax breaks, free land and other sweetheart deals to make their franchises viable (St. Louis, again, being the worst offender). These programs create inflation in other markets and uneven playing field. They are also blatent violations of NAFTA rules on subsidization. Make the American teams play by the rules and there wouldn't be a problem for the Canadian franchises.
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Posts: 3915
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 8:48 am
The problem was also low attendance (except for the Leafs)... http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/ ... RTA0005623$1:
The fate of Canadian teams in the NHL, which are increasingly pressured to compete financially with American markets, is unsettling. Toronto was the only Canadian team in 2000 that consistently played to sell-out crowds. The NHL's Canadian Assistance Program offers aid only when teams can demonstrate their viability, and for most teams in Canada, viability is continually threatened by declining attendance. In 1999, Rod Bryden, owner of the Ottawa Senators, announced that unless the federal government was willing to offer financial support, the Senators would be the next Canadian team sold to the US. A startling announcement in January 2000 outlined how the federal government would offer annual aid to Canadian hockey teams until 2004. Widespread criticism of the proposal, however, was so severe that it brought about an immediate retraction.
Remember the NHL fought to keep the Senators in Ottawa and the Oilers in Edmonton... However that doesn't fit into the spin of the NHL being anti-Canadian... 
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Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 9:02 am
stemmer stemmer: I guess you forget a few years ago when MacLeans and other Canadian media were reporting NHL hockey in Canada was not viable. That only Montreal & TO would have teams... I guess you forget the NHL's Canadian Assistance Program to help the ailing Canadian teams... Even the Oilers courted and threatened to move to Houston... IF our loonie ever slips to the levels it did a few years ago, hockey in Canada will become once again not viable... You can try to spin this into a Canada vs US thread as much as you want but it's not true.... We still have NHL teams in Canada because Bettman & company help our teams.... http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2001/12/ ... 11204.html$1:
NHL extends Canadian assistance
Last Updated: Tuesday, December 4, 2001 | 8:28 PM ET
CBC Sports
The NHL board of governors has to extend the league's Canadian Currency Assistance Plan through the end of the 2003-04 season.
The plan, which received unanimous approval on Tuesday, helps select Canadian-based NHL clubs compensate for the disparity between the Canadian and U.S. dollar.
The Canadian buck was worth 0.64 US on Tuesday.
The Calgary Flames, Edmonton Oilers, Ottawa Senators and Vancouver Canucks currently qualify for some $2.7 million in annual assistance.
The Montreal Canadiens and Toronto Maple Leafs do not meet the criteria.
The board also ratified new contracts with CBC and TSN for Canadian television rights.
$1: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... _68620641/For the 1999-2000 season, the Canadiens reported a financial loss from rising player salaries, a lack of playoff revenue, the weak Canadian dollar and high municipal taxes on the Molson Centre. Thats all well and good but the fact remains that most of the interest and talent is generated from this country and without it the whole thing collapses. If you had an all Canadian league non of these issues with the exchange rate would even exist. Not sure where your getting this US vs Canada thing since I never mentioned it in terms of America vs Canada. All my criticism is directed at the league itself and the Canadians that support it(but complain at the same time alot of times in a bash America sort of way). Common sense alone tells you 33 million people, a majority of which are hockey mad, would be sufficient to have a viable legitimate big time league. But like with everything else, Canadians have been raised to believe they need daddy America to make something work.
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Posts: 3915
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 12:04 pm
A Canadian Hockey League would then have to compete for talent with a rival American Pro Hockey League and guess who would win that bidding war?
Also the USA is catching up to Canada as far as hockey talent... The USA now has close to the number of ice rinks we do... Don't believe me, then surf to the IIHF's website and look at their stats for players, indoor rinks, etc. Only the USA comes close to Canada...
Even Mexico now has an hockey team that competes in IIHF tournaments. Granted they are in Division C...
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