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Title: John Baird bares teeth in offering Canada's defence of Israel at UN
Category: Political
Posted By: Curtman
Date: 2011-09-27 03:20:02
Canadian

[Curtman]

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�Just as fascism and communism were the great struggles of previous generations, terrorism is the great struggle of ours. And far too often, the Jewish state is on the front line of our struggle and its people the victims of terror,� says a prepared text of Baird's remarks.

While Israel continues its settlement activity outside its borders, it places itself in harms way. When our government advocates that, it places us there as well on the front line. Not in a battle against terrorism, but as a supporter of oppression.

[martin14]

Curt, what you fail to realize is that existence of Israel as a country places
itself in harm's way, regardless of what it does.


Gaza says stopping settlements makes no difference to those who would harm Israel.

[Curtman]

martin14 martin14:

Curt, what you fail to realize is that existence of Israel as a country places
itself in harm's way, regardless of what it does.


Gaza says stopping settlements makes no difference to those who would harm Israel.

That's funny considering Baird was there to deny the existence of Palestine in their bid for UN recognition of statehood.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/opinion/a-palestinian-state-is-israels-best-path-to-security/article2178370/

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Using a UN General Assembly resolution to make an end run around potential negotiations and create a Palestinian state is not a new idea, of course. It’s exactly what was done in 1947, under strikingly similar circumstances, and the resulting Palestinian state became known as Israel.

[ShepherdsDog]

Up until '67 Palestinian meant the Jews living in the mandate...a pretty common fact. The British and French had already created Arab states out of the old Ottoman Empire. Spend less time with your face in the vaporizer and more in a book.

[Curtman]

1947 UN Partition Plan

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In 1947, Great Britain relinquished to the UN the power to make decisions relating to the status of the Land of Israel. The General Assembly appointed a special committee that collected evidence and decided unanimously that Israel should be granted independence. Most of the committee members favored partitioning the land into two states, a Jewish state and an Arab state, with Jerusalem under international supervision. On November 29, 1947, the UN General Assembly accepted the partition resolution, 33 to 13.

[martin14]

Curtman Curtman:

1947 UN Partition Plan

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In 1947, Great Britain relinquished to the UN the power to make decisions relating to the status of the Land of Israel. The General Assembly appointed a special committee that collected evidence and decided unanimously that Israel should be granted independence. Most of the committee members favored partitioning the land into two states, a Jewish state and an Arab state, with Jerusalem under international supervision. On November 29, 1947, the UN General Assembly accepted the partition resolution, 33 to 13.

And what of it ?


The Jews accepted it, the Arabs didn't, the rest of the territories were
lost after wars in '48, '67, '73, etc

[Curtman]

martin14 martin14:

And what of it ?

The Jews accepted it, the Arabs didn't, the rest of the territories were
lost after wars in '48, '67, '73, etc

Do you feel that Israel has a right to continue to gobble up the rest of Palestine, or that there can be a two state solution with only one state? That's what of it.

[martin14]

Curtman Curtman:

martin14 martin14:

And what of it ?

The Jews accepted it, the Arabs didn't, the rest of the territories were
lost after wars in '48, '67, '73, etc

Do you feel that Israel has a right to continue to gobble up the rest of Palestine, or that there can be a two state solution with only one state? That's what of it.

Are you really worried about what I think ?

[ShepherdsDog]

There was a two state solution in the Mandate.... Jordan for the Arabs and Israel for the Jews. The Arabs were originally given 85% of the territory and the Jews took 15 %. The Arabs weren't happy with that and tried to make it 0%, so the Jews have now ended up with about 19 - 20 %, while the Arabs still hold 80 %.

[Curtman]

martin14 martin14:

Are you really worried about what I think ?

I'm not a mind reader so I have no idea what you think. What I'm worried about is people like John Baird and Steven Harper who are supposed to be representing the views of Canadians saying these ridiculous things about anyone who criticizes the isreali settlements as being antisemetic.

[Curtman]

Israel approves 1,100 settler homes in Gilo, Jerusalem

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"It's a nice gift for Rosh Hashanah [Jewish New Year]," Yair Gabay, a member of the Jerusalem planning committee, told Ynet.

We never hear anything from john Baird about Israel's bully tactics. I wonder why.

[ShepherdsDog]

Speaking of bullies, read The Israelis ordinary people in an extraordinary land, by Diana Rosenthal. In it she has shown that the land in question was legally bought by Jews in the 1920s, like so much of the 'disputed' land. Absentee Arab landlords sold them the land. It was marginal and they didn't give a rat's ass about the tenants and squatters.

In 1948, the Arabs occupied East Jerusalem, as well as Shomron and Judea, and evicted all the Jews, including those who lived in the Jewish Quarter. Jewish cemeteries and synagogues, that were centuries old, were desecrated by the Arabs. This is righting a past wrong in a purely legal manner.

[eureka]

Canada is on the wrong side of history and of morality in this. Before Harper Canada had a well balanced policy. Now, anything goes for Israel so far as this administration is concerned.

If Israel "nuked" the Gaza strip, Harper would call it a "measured response."

There is little doubt that Israel is the aggressor now and it is playing a foolish game in not coming to a settlement. Time is not on its side. Playing the victim card is worn out.

[ShepherdsDog]

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If Israel "nuked" the Gaza strip, Harper would call it a "measured response."

You really have no idea how absolutely silly that sounds. Then again, you've never likely been there and know nothing of the reality.