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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:41 am
Donnie, please tell me how YOU know the children shot in Afghan were because of human error on BOTH sides. Please answer that question
I know these facts Don because it occured while I was there walking the ground, getting daily briefs, you get to know local people, village elders ect ect. It is all part of hearts and minds. As for the people being killed over having US cash, what is your point of how the got it (theft?)? They were killed because they had it! end of story, I doubt very much a first nation radical will kill you or yours for having Canadian tire money in your car. I ndid not assume that anybody would rather freeze then wear warm clothes, I merely stated that people were hurt for wearing Western clothes, so PERHAPS these children were allowed to freeze rather than risk being seen in warm clothing that may have saved them.
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:41 am
Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy: romanP romanP: Talking about "appeasement" has no place in this so-called "war on terror." There are no national boundaries being threatened or nations being conquered. There are no treaties involved, period. No one is giving in to any demands. Just because we aren't running around screaming that the sky is falling does not mean that nothing is being done. Bringing up Neville Chamberlain is, in fact, totally irrellevant, unless you can point to some sort of concession that has been given to any particular terrorist group just because they asked for it.
Yassar Arafat and PLO recieved concessions from Israel in the form of land for the Palestinians in return for a promise not to carry out any attacks on Israel. Sounds like a treaty to me. That is neither here nor there anymore, as Yasser Arafat is dead, and that is almost an entirely different issue from the so-called "war on terror." There is going to be war between Israel and Palestine for as long as those people want to cram themselves into a tiny sliver of land and fight over it. Israel is just as responsible for the violence it receives as Palestine is for the same. They were fighting over that land long before anyone named Neville Chamberlain existed.
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:19 am
Still hoping to get an answer to the above question Donnie
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:28 am
PENATRATOR PENATRATOR: Donnie, please tell me how YOU know the children shot in Afghan were because of human error on BOTH sides. Please answer that question Because I'm sure Canadians would not intentionally shoot children.
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:45 am
Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco: PENATRATOR PENATRATOR: Donnie, please tell me how YOU know the children shot in Afghan were because of human error on BOTH sides. Please answer that question Because I'm sure Canadians would not intentionally shoot children. Yeah, you are right, but make no mistake, there is no error with firing at a vehicle that has come within 10m of the convoy. There are very clear SOP's on this, I am actually surprised that the vehicle was allowed to even get this close. Either way truly unfortunate incident.
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:45 pm
$1: Using the Quran as a bludgeon to keep these children in line with the most vile interpretations of Islam.
It's not much different from the attitudes prevalent in the American deep south. One of the most inane things i've ever read. I live in the deep south you twelve year old.
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:42 pm
Why do I not find that surprising?
I guess racism and willfull ignorance doesn't exist if you're willfully ignorant to begin with.
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:05 pm
PENATRATOR PENATRATOR: Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco: PENATRATOR PENATRATOR: Donnie, please tell me how YOU know the children shot in Afghan were because of human error on BOTH sides. Please answer that question Because I'm sure Canadians would not intentionally shoot children. Yeah, you are right, but make no mistake, there is no error with firing at a vehicle that has come within 10m of the convoy. There are very clear SOP's on this, I am actually surprised that the vehicle was allowed to even get this close. Either way truly unfortunate incident. I agree, now the father wants revenge and wants to kill Canadians. Two steps forward two steps back... I'm thinking of a few people with "C" beside their aviators that Canada could do without. He gets his revenge and we get rid of some loons. Its a win-win. Hwacker, where are you? I bought you a plane ticket to Afganistan. Bring a friend.
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Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:34 am
Now Donnie I am not going to pull the, you have not been there shit, however, it is AMAZINGLY clear to all afghans in and around Kandahar to keep your distance from Military convoys. There are HUGE billboards every 50 yards stating and explaining this, it is on the radio, TV and all Military vehicles are clearly marked. As well as the Rules of engagement carried out by the soldiers, if a vehicle starts approaching within 100m or so, warning shot is authorized, now I don't know if you have ever been fired at, but a 762 or 556 round going past will get your attention, trust me. While it is unfortunate to have to do this, we can thank the terrorists and their tactics for having to go to this extreme. That being said, the only person I blame for this very tragic incident is the driver.
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Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:28 am
Could the taxi driver has done this on purpose???
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ridenrain
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Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 7:26 am
I was reading on Army.ca, that they used to throw plastic water bottles at the cars that were getting too close but one of the politicos saw that and thought that it was un-Canadian.
A lot of the same people bitching here were the same people bitching on the "Canada buys dazzler lazers" threads too. These people want Canada out of Afghanistan and are shameless to use any defeat and any human misery to get their goal.
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Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 7:46 am
The first two vehicles of the convoy passed and the taxi driver figured that was it and pulled out. Simple human error.
Maybe he could argue the convoy vehicles should drive closer together.
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Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:28 am
Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco: The first two vehicles of the convoy passed and the taxi driver figured that was it and pulled out. Simple human error.
Maybe he could argue the convoy vehicles should drive closer together. Negative, believe me, the highway where this occured I know well, there is no mistaking how many vehicles are on the road, it is WIDE OPEN moonscape, particularily when we are dealing with LAV's and RG's, not exacly Volkswagon Golfs. As for driving closer together, well I am sure you have heard of this ongoing problem we are facing over there that does not worry us during our commute to work here in Canada, it's called IED's. By tailgating one another and striking an IED, you invite casulties to both or all vehicles, rather than just one.
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Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:53 pm
ridenrain ridenrain: I was reading on Army.ca, that they used to throw plastic water bottles at the cars that were getting too close but one of the politicos saw that and thought that it was un-Canadian. That's what we need in Afghanistan. Bottle kids.
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ridenrain
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Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:58 pm
lol.
Still might have worked better than bullets though. As the saying goes, it isn't dumb if it works.
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